raven
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Post by raven on Jul 23, 2009 12:10:02 GMT -4
""The recent Fox TV show, which I saw, is an ingenious and entertaining assemblage of nonsense. The claim that radiation exposure during the Apollo missions would have been fatal to the astronauts is only one example of such nonsense."
Dr. James Van Allen
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If you want to make a conspiracy theorist look like a fool, quoting the man who discovered the radiation belts is a good start. However, my meanderings around the Internet have found no source for this statement, beyond saying Van Allen said it. All seem to lead back to the Clavius.org website. So just where did you get it? A youtuber while commenting/debating on Lunar Legacy episode 1-part 3 directly asked me, and I thought it important to find out.
Thank you for your time
Raven
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Post by gillianren on Jul 23, 2009 13:50:19 GMT -4
Dr. Van Allen wrote Jay a letter.
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raven
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Post by raven on Jul 23, 2009 16:49:02 GMT -4
Thank you very much. I'll be sure to inform the restless masses.
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Post by gillianren on Jul 23, 2009 21:56:03 GMT -4
You're quite welcome.
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Post by JayUtah on Jul 27, 2009 13:02:15 GMT -4
To be more accurate, I was shown a letter by another BAUT member that included that statement. Out of an abundance of caution I wrote to Dr. Van Allen and asked him to confirm the quote, which he did. Here is his response: i149.photobucket.com/albums/s71/clavius_examples/van-allen-letter.gifI hasten to add that my quote has been on the page for a number of years. The hoax believers started questioning its provenance and authenticity only after Dr. Van Allen passed away. They had ample opportunity to confirm it for themselves. Anyone who wishes to travel to Salt Lake City, Utah may examine the letter in person. |
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raven
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Post by raven on Jul 28, 2009 1:16:28 GMT -4
Thank you very much, JayUtah.This is what I love about the Internet, people communicating even when they are thousands of miles apart, sharing in ways that would be otherwise impossible.
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Post by seemoe on Aug 25, 2009 2:22:59 GMT -4
what did he write? i cant make it out "This is a completely ___ ____ from my letter" ?
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Post by ineluki on Aug 25, 2009 5:31:22 GMT -4
what did he write? i cant make it out "This is a completely ___ ____ from my letter" ? I would say "correct quotation". |
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Post by JayUtah on Aug 25, 2009 11:07:13 GMT -4
"correct quotation"
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Post by ka9q on Apr 9, 2010 0:29:13 GMT -4
The HB I've discussed this with most often (straydog02) does not dispute that Van Allen said this. Instead he alleges that NASA "got to" him and made him into a "team player". Presumably this means NASA threatened Van Allen into retracting his earlier (~1959) statements about the hazards of radiation to human space flight.
Why he would only succumb to threats shortly before the end of his life is of course not explained.
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Post by echard on May 6, 2010 1:57:45 GMT -4
Presumably this means NASA threatened Van Allen into retracting his earlier (~1959) statements about the hazards of radiation to human space flight. Why he would only succumb to threats shortly before the end of his life is of course not explained. I've also heard other hoaxers claim that Van Allen was forced by NASA to retract earlier statements he made in the late 50's regarding the transversing of the radiation belts. However, the reading of a Time Magazine article found here www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,863443-1,00.html from May 1958 confirms Van Allen didn't doubt from even early on in space exploration man's ability to pass safely through the belts. |
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Post by echnaton on May 6, 2010 9:43:21 GMT -4
Nice find, echard.
A quote from the article for the record.
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Post by fiveonit on Nov 17, 2010 13:19:25 GMT -4
Can someone here help educate me on the roles of the Van Allen belts.
I keep getting claims from HB's that the Van Allen belts protect the earth from everything from radiation to meteorites. Some of us on this board are currently in a debate with someone on the Davie Icke forums that is basically claiming that the Van Allen belts protect astronauts from Solar Heat and that is why they don't "Cook to death" when in LEO. In a sense, suggesting that the Van Allen belts have some *cooling* effect. And, of course, proving why they should have cooked to death on the moon!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it is my understanding that the Van Allen belts don't protect the earth from much if anything at all. What protects the earth is the Magnetosphere in trapping high energy particles between the lines of magnetic flux and thus forming the belts. In other words, the belts are a consequence of the protection, and not the protection itself.
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Post by echnaton on Nov 17, 2010 14:58:16 GMT -4
AFAIK, that is it in a nutshell.
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Post by Bob B. on Nov 17, 2010 17:59:12 GMT -4
ditto
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