During the Bush presidency anyone who was critical of him was told to shut up because you aren't allowed to criticize a President during a time of war. It's treasonous and gives aid to the enemy. His decisions were getting people killed, but we weren't allowed to say anything. Why have Republicans forgotten this now that Obama is President?
Why is this just about Reps and Dems? Is it really just a horse race to be called in which side can make themselves to be slightly better than their morally bankrupt opponents? That is a pretty dismal situation.
Which, in the bigger picture, can work out even better. The objective is to produce the most value possible from a given cost. That's good consumers; that's good for producers.
True, but if people don't have jobs they often cease to be consumers.
What is your alternative to letting people seek their own way to operate a business in this case? And how will that help people without simply forcing one group to pay for an others benefits?
During the Bush presidency anyone who was critical of him was told to shut up because you aren't allowed to criticize a President during a time of war. It's treasonous and gives aid to the enemy. His decisions were getting people killed, but we weren't allowed to say anything. Why have Republicans forgotten this now that Obama is President?
That's funny, because I remember a lot of anti-Bush rhetoric during his presidency. "Bush lied, people died", "No Blood for Oil", any of that ring a bell?
'How shall a man judge what to do in such times?' 'As he ever has judged,' said Aragorn. 'Good and ill have not changed since yesteryear; nor are they one thing among Elves and Dwarves, and another among Men. It is a man's part to discern them, as much in the Golden Wood as in his own house.'
I don't believe it was personally motivated either. Yes, I genuinely believe that President Bush believed that Saddam had or could obtain WMDs and would eventually have used them against us. 9/11 simply made it obvious to the public that there was no way to defend us except by removing the threat.
Well people believe that the moonlandings were filmed in Area 51 too....
But disbelieving a historic event is a little bit different from believing that a person's stated motives are true.
'How shall a man judge what to do in such times?' 'As he ever has judged,' said Aragorn. 'Good and ill have not changed since yesteryear; nor are they one thing among Elves and Dwarves, and another among Men. It is a man's part to discern them, as much in the Golden Wood as in his own house.'
As best I can tell, the difference between exploiting a situation and using it as a turning point to implement a policy or action is primarily one of whether you thing the proposed action.
Not really. Using a tragedy to implement any policy, even a good one, might be called exploiting it.
If the President goes to the sight of a tragedy and says "we're going to get the people responsible" or "we're going to learn from this", then I don't see that as exploiting. If he goes to a tragedy and says "this shows how my opponents are wrong," or "this shows how I was right," then I feel that is exploiting it.
I will give President Obama credit for saying that political rhetoric didn't cause the tragedy in Arizona when he spoke there the other day.
'How shall a man judge what to do in such times?' 'As he ever has judged,' said Aragorn. 'Good and ill have not changed since yesteryear; nor are they one thing among Elves and Dwarves, and another among Men. It is a man's part to discern them, as much in the Golden Wood as in his own house.'
Well people believe that the moonlandings were filmed in Area 51 too....
But disbelieving a historic event is a little bit different from believing that a person's stated motives are true.
So when someone says:
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We've learned that Iraq has trained al Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases . And we know that after September the 11th, Saddam Hussein's regime gleefully celebrated the terrorist attacks on America.
Iraq could decide on any given day to provide a biological or chemical weapon to a terrorist group or individual terrorists. Alliance with terrorists could allow the Iraqi regime to attack America without leaving any fingerprints.
Bush, Oct. 7, 2002
when their intelligence is saying the person making the claim of Iraqi training:
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it is . . . likely this individual is intentionally misleading the debriefers. Ibn al-Shaykh has been undergoing debriefs for several weeks and may be describing scenarios to the debriefers that he knows will retain their interest. . . . Saddam’s regime is intensely secular and is wary of Islamic revolutionary movements. Moreover, Baghdad is unlikely to provide assistance to a group it cannot control.
Defense Intelligence Agency, February 2002
and that the National Intelligence Estimate Bush himself gave to congress stated that only with with "low confidence" Saddam might:
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if attacked and "if sufficiently desperate" turn to al Qaeda to carry out an attack against the US with chemical or biological weapons. "He might decide that the extreme step of assisting the Islamist terrorist in conducting a CBW attack against the United States would be his last chance to exact vengeance by taking a large number of victims with him.
So if what he was telling the public, and what his intelligence agencies were telling him were two different things, how can you hold out that he believed that Iraq would use WMDs against the US in a 9/11 style attack?
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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords shot in Arizona « Reply #96 on Jan 15, 2011, 4:35pm »
I'm not going to argue about Bush's motives, and I still think the war in Iraq was the right thing to do, regardless of whether the pre-war intelligence was accurate.
'How shall a man judge what to do in such times?' 'As he ever has judged,' said Aragorn. 'Good and ill have not changed since yesteryear; nor are they one thing among Elves and Dwarves, and another among Men. It is a man's part to discern them, as much in the Golden Wood as in his own house.'
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