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« Thread Started on Aug 28, 2010, 8:53am » | |
Rodin said at reply #298 of the Apollo jump proves hoax by rodin thread:
Quote:| The Cold War itself was a total hoax - of this I am sure - and by implication so was the Space Race. We can run a thread on this if you like. |
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Let's do that.
I have a boardgame here called Twilight Struggle. It's a two player game about the Cold War, published by GMT Games. If you have the slightest interest in boardgames and the Cold War, I highly recommend it. It's not only a cracker of a game, it even includes the Space Race!
Now although it's a boardgame, game play itself is driven by the play of cards. The cards represent events which actually took place during the period 1945 to 1989. I'm going to list a portion of them, and if Rodin returns to the board, I'd like him to consider how to explain these events except in the context of a real geopolitical struggle between the USA and the USSR.
Early War:
- Vietnam revolts;
- Marshall Plan (and Soviet refusal to allow East European countries to participate);
- Suez Crisis;
- Korean War;
- Truman Doctrine;
- Nasser;
- The Chinese Civil War;
- Berlin Blockade;
- Arab-Israeli War;
- Defectors;
- East European unrest;
- Warsaw Pact formed;
- Red Scare/Purge;
- Formosan Resolution;
- The Cambridge Five;
- Fidel;
- Comecon;
- Independent Reds (e.g. Yugoslavia);
- Indo-Pakistani War.
Mid War:
- Latin American Death Squads;
- Ussuri River skirmish;
- U2 incident;
- Cultural Revolution;
- Liberation Theology;
- Allende;
- Arms Race;
- Che;
- Cuban Missile Crisis;
- Nuclear Subs;
- "We will bury you!";
- Brezhnev Doctrine;
- John Paul II elected Pope;
- Kitchen debates;
- Sadat expels Soviets.
Late War:
- Iranian hostage crisis;
- Star Wars;
- Soviets shoot down KAL007;
- Ortega elected in Nicaragua;
- Iran-Contra scandal;
- Tear down this Wall;
- An Evil Empire;
- Aldrich Ames;
- Pershing II deployed;
- Solidarity (Poland).
Now I shouldn't have to answer any questions to explain what any of these events mean. If Rodin doesn't know what they mean, then it shows he doesn't know as much about the Cold War as he thinks he did, and he should therefore research them before commenting.
If the Cold War was fake, why was it so easy to cross borders between various West European countries, but Eastern Europe was separated from the West by an extensive barrier of barbed wire, walls, minefields and armed guards ordered to shoot?
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« Reply #1 on Aug 28, 2010, 10:21am » | |
Just to add. Aswan dam. Oleg Gordievsky. Probably come up with more later.
Edit. Attack warning alarm system in the UK, Rodin from UK? Then he may be old enough to remember it.
Edit 2. Cold war games in the bunkers. Who survives, who dies.
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« Reply #2 on Aug 28, 2010, 10:37am » | |
I'm sure the people at the office where I work in Germany would be interested to hear about the "fake" cold war as well.
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« Reply #3 on Aug 28, 2010, 10:55am » | |
Heck, for that matter, you could even talk to the Blue Wiggle, Anthony Field (of course you all know who The Wiggles are, don't you?).
Before he became famous for wearing a blue skivvy, he was in the army, and spent some time patrolling the frontier (I assume between East and West Germany).
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« Reply #4 on Aug 28, 2010, 1:23pm » | |
Well, I certainly hope there was a Cold War!
We didn't go through all that stress growing up for nuthin' !
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« Reply #5 on Aug 28, 2010, 2:27pm » | |
Where does Tienanmen Square enter into things?
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« Reply #6 on Aug 28, 2010, 3:29pm » | |
Aug 28, 2010, 2:27pm, gillianren wrote:| Where does Tienanmen Square enter into things? |
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Is that another spelling mistake gillianren?
What's goin' on? 
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« Reply #7 on Aug 28, 2010, 8:51pm » | |
I don't speak Chinese?
ETA--I'm also undergoing personal trauma with the Social Security Administration right now, but yeah.
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« Reply #8 on Aug 29, 2010, 8:30am » | |
This was seen in advance to some extent. The end of the WWII did not end well for Europe and Stalin was out to get as much as he could that included countries. Churchills Iron Curtain speech was bang on the button and the way the USSR put down uprisings with ruthlessness is not the sign of a secret deal. Thinking it was fake to suit a purpose is not the right way to go about it when so many died and so many were oppressed for a Communist ideal that was fought all over the world.
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« Reply #9 on Aug 29, 2010, 2:14pm » | |
I find that people don't always know the weight of history behind any given event. I suspect that those who believe the Cold War was faked don't even know about the Red Scare in the US in the 1920s.
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« Reply #10 on Aug 29, 2010, 8:09pm » | |
I for one really wish the cold war was faked, because then we'd have nuclear power all over and this global warming thing wouldn't be nearly as much of an issue.
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« Reply #11 on Aug 30, 2010, 9:17am » | |
On the Apollo jump thread I said:
Quote:| I thought people (including Rodin) might be interested in the "Rodin's Cold War fakery evidence" thread I started in the Other Conspiracy Theories section of Apollohoax. |
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Rodin replied:
Quote:| hah I accept the challenge |
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Very well, we await your presence.
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« Reply #12 on Aug 30, 2010, 11:17am » | |
Aug 28, 2010, 8:53am, PeterB wrote:
Sounds like an interesting game PeterB. [Peeks out of secret gamers closet]
One of the most spine tingling events for me was the fall of the Berlin Wall, an event I was sure would never happen in my lifetime.
After all the years of posturing and threats, it seemed unreal to see it happen in front of your own eyes. I was glued to the news.
And before Rodin claims it was fake, my sister was there. She lives in Germany. She even has a piece of the actual wall. She is even friends with some people who came over the wall, or under, or through. I have met them. Some of them have family who didn't get out, and are missing.
So don't give me that bogus "fake cold war" claim.
And while we are at it, here is a question for you, is there any conspiracy theory which you DON'T believe?
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« Reply #13 on Aug 30, 2010, 11:24am » | |
Aug 29, 2010, 8:09pm, randombloke wrote:| I for one really wish the cold war was faked, because then we'd have nuclear power all over and this global warming thing wouldn't be nearly as much of an issue. |
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What?
Are you arguing that nuclear power is causing global warming?
Even the most rabid pro-warmists admit that nuclear power doesn't emit greenhouse gasses.
Are you arguing that the Cold War caused global warming? And if it were faked then they wouldn't have built as many real tanks, planes, etc. that emit greenhouse gasses?
Or are you trying to say something entirely different?
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« Reply #14 on Aug 30, 2010, 11:31am » | |
I would guess, though I can't be sure of course, that those who say the Cold War was faked are picturing a sort of 1984 Oceana vs. Eurasia vs. Eastasia conflict. That is, that there was real fighting going on with real weapons (and real people dying) but that none of the sides was really trying to win - that they were just exploiting the conflict to give each of their populations a target to hate and use up funds that would have otherwise gone to improving quality of life.
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