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Re: Rodin's Cold War fakery evidence « Reply #45 on Sept 3, 2010, 9:42pm »
KAL 007 is all the evidence I personally need as proof of the Cold War tension. Hard to believe it was 27 years ago (two days ago), but I can still clearly remember laying in bed listening to the first news reports coming in on the radio, wondering what kind of response would be forthcoming and if I'd be alive to see Christmas or my 16th birthday. I'm not sure if Vancouver was ever a primary target, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was. The proximity of the US Pacific Fleet's main nuclear submarine base roughly 100 miles south also meant that, if nothing else, we would be majorly affected by fallout.
Definitely one of the most terrifying times of my life...
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Re: Rodin's Cold War fakery evidence « Reply #46 on Sept 4, 2010, 3:47am »
Well, if Rodin is from the UK then he will not be far from a bunker whereever he lives (south of the border). There would have been plans for emergencies held by all local authorities and tests and drills and tests of the warning sirens. I remember the siren tests. Problem with living on an island, the is no where to hide in England. Maybe West Wales and Scotland but many places in the UK would have been glowing.
This raises another hurdle for the denier. The Bombers in the 50's and 60's, the V bombers as they have been known and the crews and training and indeed the weapons and planes designed for one task. Related to that was and still is the air defence of the UK. Bombers were tracked and intercepted.
On a side note. Pilots and crew have said on TV interviews that some advice given if they ever set off for real was to drop their loads, if they survive keep going east and settle down with a Yak farmer. There would be nothing to come back to.
Another side note, If anyone is interested there is a RADAR museum on the Norfolk Broads and is based where the room was where they would have caused the red button metaphorically to be pressed. And in reality I think. Web site says it is closed for some reason but I think it is funded on charitable donations. Just that it heaps on the mound of proof already there.
Edit. These bunkers were not for the ordinary person by the way. They were for government or local governing bodies.
On a side note. Pilots and crew have said on TV interviews that some advice given if they ever set off for real was to drop their loads, if they survive keep going east and settle down with a Yak farmer. There would be nothing to come back to.
Really? Never heard that before. If ya have a reference I would be most intrigued to read/watch.
On a side note. Pilots and crew have said on TV interviews that some advice given if they ever set off for real was to drop their loads, if they survive keep going east and settle down with a Yak farmer. There would be nothing to come back to.
Really? Never heard that before. If ya have a reference I would be most intrigued to read/watch.
TV show in the last 18 months in the UK. Maybe the beeb as its their domain for that stuff but may have been another channel, they do pop up the odd good one in a while. It was about the V Bombers, Victor, Valiant and Vulcan. Weapons and methods were discussed as well as the transit to Polaris as a delivery for the big stick. This snippet came out in the show.
Have to have a rummage to see if its available anywhere and what it was.
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Re: Rodin's Cold War fakery evidence « Reply #50 on Sept 9, 2010, 6:09pm »
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On December 9, 1945, Patton was severely injured in a road accident. He and his chief of staff, Major General Hobart R. "Hap" Gay, were on a day trip to hunt pheasants in the country outside Mannheim. Their 1938 Cadillac Model 75 was driven by Private First Class Horace Woodring (1926–2003), Patton sitting in the back seat on the right side, with General Gay on his left, as per custom. At 11:45 near Neckarstadt (Mannheim-Käfertal), a 2½ ton GMC truck driven by Technical Sergeant Robert L. Thompson made a left turn in front of Patton's Cadillac. Patton's car hit the front of the truck, at a low speed.
At first the crash seemed minor, the vehicles were hardly damaged, no one in the truck was hurt, and Gay and Woodring were uninjured. However, Patton was leaning back with trouble breathing. The general had been thrown forward and his head struck a metal part of the partition between the front and back seats, incurring a cervical spinal cord injury. Paralyzed from the neck down, he was rushed to the military hospital in Heidelberg. Patton died of a pulmonary embolism on December 21, 1945.
This would have to be one of the most complicated murders ever devised, almost as complex as killing Jack Ruby by giving him cancer....
It must be fun to lead a life completely unburdened by reality. -- JayUtah
"On two occasions, I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." -- Charles Babbage (1791-1871)
On December 9, 1945, Patton was severely injured in a road accident. He and his chief of staff, Major General Hobart R. "Hap" Gay, were on a day trip to hunt pheasants in the country outside Mannheim. Their 1938 Cadillac Model 75 was driven by Private First Class Horace Woodring (1926–2003), Patton sitting in the back seat on the right side, with General Gay on his left, as per custom. At 11:45 near Neckarstadt (Mannheim-Käfertal), a 2½ ton GMC truck driven by Technical Sergeant Robert L. Thompson made a left turn in front of Patton's Cadillac. Patton's car hit the front of the truck, at a low speed.
At first the crash seemed minor, the vehicles were hardly damaged, no one in the truck was hurt, and Gay and Woodring were uninjured. However, Patton was leaning back with trouble breathing. The general had been thrown forward and his head struck a metal part of the partition between the front and back seats, incurring a cervical spinal cord injury. Paralyzed from the neck down, he was rushed to the military hospital in Heidelberg. Patton died of a pulmonary embolism on December 21, 1945.
This would have to be one of the most complicated murders ever devised, almost as complex as killing Jack Ruby by giving him cancer....
Isn't it obvious? Teh ebil Jooz had ninja rabbis secretly steering both vehicles and one in riding with Patton ready to slam his head forward into the partition during the crash but didn't quite do it right only leaving him paralysed so they then had to replace his doctor with another ninja rabbi who had been surgically modified to look identical to the original one and then actually killed Patton.
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Re: Rodin's Cold War fakery evidence « Reply #53 on Sept 10, 2010, 8:33am »
Anyone that thinks the Cold War was a fake wasn't there. What sort of loony administration would allow Soviet and US pilots to duke it out over Korea with a real chance that it could esculate if they were faking it all, especually when it wasn't just the US and the USSR that had Nukes. One of several countries could have easily lit the fuse.
It must be fun to lead a life completely unburdened by reality. -- JayUtah
"On two occasions, I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." -- Charles Babbage (1791-1871)
Rodin said at reply #298 of the Apollo jump proves hoax by rodin thread: Quote:
The Cold War itself was a total hoax - of this I am sure - and by implication so was the Space Race. We can run a thread on this if you like.
Let's do that.
I have a boardgame here called Twilight Struggle. It's a two player game about the Cold War, published by GMT Games. If you have the slightest interest in boardgames and the Cold War, I highly recommend it. It's not only a cracker of a game, it even includes the Space Race!
Now although it's a boardgame, game play itself is driven by the play of cards. The cards represent events which actually took place during the period 1945 to 1989. I'm going to list a portion of them, and if Rodin returns to the board, I'd like him to consider how to explain these events except in the context of a real geopolitical struggle between the USA and the USSR.
Here's another interesting card game from the 20th C
The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common: They don't alter their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views." The Doctor, Doctor Who: The Face of Evil.
Sounds like an interesting game PeterB. [Peeks out of secret gamers closet]
One of the most spine tingling events for me was the fall of the Berlin Wall, an event I was sure would never happen in my lifetime.
After all the years of posturing and threats, it seemed unreal to see it happen in front of your own eyes. I was glued to the news.
And before Rodin claims it was fake, my sister was there. She lives in Germany. She even has a piece of the actual wall. She is even friends with some people who came over the wall, or under, or through. I have met them. Some of them have family who didn't get out, and are missing.
So don't give me that bogus "fake cold war" claim.
And while we are at it, here is a question for you, is there any conspiracy theory which you DON'T believe?
Bezmenov was employed at a level where people still thought Communist and Capitalist societies were in opposition. He saw the US as being infiltrated from the USSR. What he did not know perhaps was who was really behind the Russian Revolution of 1917. Very important to determine this. Turns out it is the same crowd who were behind the establishment of the Federal Reserve in 1913
I for one really wish the cold war was faked, because then we'd have nuclear power all over and this global warming thing wouldn't be nearly as much of an issue.
What?
Are you arguing that nuclear power is causing global warming? Even the most rabid pro-warmists admit that nuclear power doesn't emit greenhouse gasses.
Are you arguing that the Cold War caused global warming? And if it were faked then they wouldn't have built as many real tanks, planes, etc. that emit greenhouse gasses?
Or are you trying to say something entirely different?
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DUBLIN, N.H. — Most of the country will see a colder-than-usual winter while summer and spring will be relatively cool and dry, according to the time-honored, complex calculations of the "Old Farmer's Almanac."
Al Gore is a carbon billionaire. He was in the Club of Rome along with such luminaries as Henry Kissinger when they came up with this idea
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In 1993, it published The First Global Revolution.[3] According to this book, "It would seem that humans need a common motivation...either a real one or else one invented for the purpose....In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself."
Sounds like an interesting game PeterB. [Peeks out of secret gamers closet]
Sure is. One of those never-enough-time-and-resources-to-do-what-I-need-to-do games.
Same for me. I was glued to the newspapers and TV news, seemingly from about August to November 1989, watching as events slowly escalated, from day to day fearing a crackdown. In the back of my mind was what had happened in Beijing back in June.
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And before Rodin claims it was fake, my sister was there. She lives in Germany. She even has a piece of the actual wall. She is even friends with some people who came over the wall, or under, or through. I have met them. Some of them have family who didn't get out, and are missing.
So don't give me that bogus "fake cold war" claim.
In my case it was my Year 11 English teacher, in 1983. He was Polish, and had left Poland with his family only a year or two earlier, leaving behind all their possessions except the family silver. He told us a few stories about what it was like living in a "workers' paradise".
Oh absolutely. It was hell on the Commie side of the pincer movement. Many eminent authors have written from bitter experience.
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