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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Was The Only Assassin Of JFK
« Reply #315 on Feb 3, 2012, 6:39pm »

Feb 3, 2012, 4:37pm, Ranb wrote:

Is it just me or are these people nuts?

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Was The Only Assassin Of JFK
« Reply #316 on Feb 4, 2012, 2:50am »

I'd still love to know what he thought Connolly's motivation would be to accept being shot in the back with a high-powered rifle.

Also, this may show my lack of knowledge of the subject, but if a shot didn't go through JFK into Connolly, how did Connolly get shot? It would, to my mind, be a *true* magic bullet if it could skirt JFK and hit Connolly at teh angle it did.

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« Reply #317 on Feb 4, 2012, 3:24am »

Feb 4, 2012, 2:50am, twik wrote:

Also, this may show my lack of knowledge of the subject, but if a shot didn't go through JFK into Connolly, how did Connolly get shot?

JFK shot him.

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Was The Only Assassin Of JFK
« Reply #318 on Feb 4, 2012, 11:44am »

AHA! The truth is finally known!

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Was The Only Assassin Of JFK
« Reply #319 on Feb 4, 2012, 12:46pm »

The truth of what happened.

- Oswald shoots Kennedy in the back.
- Kennedy thinking that it's a set up by the Texan Governer responds by shooting Connolly in the back.
- Connolly now under fire, returns the shoot hitting Kennedy in the throat.
- Geer attempts to protect the president and tries to shoot Connolly, but distracted by driving he misses and hits Kennedy in the head.
- Jackie shoots Connolly hitting him in the wrist.
- It all gets covered up

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Was The Only Assassin Of JFK
« Reply #320 on Feb 4, 2012, 7:08pm »

O.O

May I say that this is a much better theory than 99% of the the JFK conspiracy theories out there.

At least it doesn't depend on Governor Connally being told, "Now, play it cool unti you feel the bullet rip through your body. Then, we want you to carefully throw yourself in the right direction to give a clear shot at Kennedy. You can handle that, right?"

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Was The Only Assassin Of JFK
« Reply #321 on Feb 5, 2012, 10:20pm »

Conspiracy theorists balk at the single bullet theory but when asked what caused all the wounds to Connally they have to admit it was done by one bullet (or allow an absurd sequence of fire where Connally is hit by 3 separate bullets all fired within the span of half a second, including one fired by a sniper in a helicopter hovering above Dealey Plaza who fired a very low velocity bullet into his thigh). Is it that much more of a stretch to add a neck to the path?

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Was The Only Assassin Of JFK
« Reply #322 on Feb 6, 2012, 2:34am »

Conspiracists have made much hay of Connally himself thinking that he and JFK were hit by separate bullets. He thought Oswald's first shot hit JFK in the back/throat and the second (which he felt but did not hear) hit him.

But I think it was Gerald Posner who claims to have talked to Connally late in his life, explained the best available theory (first shot missed, second shot hit them both) and got Connally to agree that was a very plausible scenario. Connally knew guns, and he must have known that the entrance wound in his back was oval-shaped from a yawing bullet, not round from one that hadn't hit anything else yet.

Connally, being a hunter, might have been more familiar with the hollow point lead bullets used in hunting than the metal jacketed military bullets that Oswald used. In fact, I think a lot of people are, and it probably contributes at least some to the disbelief over the "single bullet theory".

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Was The Only Assassin Of JFK
« Reply #323 on Feb 6, 2012, 3:15am »

Well, and it's not as though Connally knew what was happening behind him anyway! He can't have seen when Kennedy was shot, because he wasn't looking at Kennedy. He was looking ahead, not behind.

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Was The Only Assassin Of JFK
« Reply #324 on Feb 6, 2012, 8:48am »

Connally consistently testified that he never saw JFK at any time during the assassination, but the Z film makes it look as though he turned to his right and did see him. But I can't be sure the angles are right, and given the sudden, severe and unexpected trauma he was experiencing I wouldn't be at all surprised if he simply didn't remember. I doubt if I would clearly remember getting shot, assuming I survived. He says he didn't hear the (second) shot that got him, he only felt it, and that also sounds very plausible.

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Was The Only Assassin Of JFK
« Reply #325 on Feb 6, 2012, 8:59am »

Those are the things that dear Playdor simply refused to understand. Connolly says "hear" and see" etc; Statements that were clearly about his perception, not any attempt to be objective in the facts of the matter. As others here have said, those kind of statements are very important to investigators, but the importance relies on the proper weighting of the statement within the knowledge of human perception and the context of all information.

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Was The Only Assassin Of JFK
« Reply #326 on Feb 6, 2012, 2:56pm »

I think it's a matter of, once more, conspiracy theorists being more interested in what they believe is *wrong*, rather than establishing a story that is *right*.

I can see someone claiming that the bullet found at Parkland was a setup (for whatever reason). It wasn't dug out of Connolly's body, and could, conceivably, have been planted. But that would not negate that some *other* bullet made the damage in a single shot. BUt since, to a CTer, it's more satisfying if all the "official story" is wrong, rather than part of it, they need to argue that multiple shots were needed, when in fact they would have been more difficult (in my opinion, anyway) to pull off.

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