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Re: Ghosts and TV « Reply #1 on Jan 8, 2009, 8:52am »
I agree with you. Uri Geller and Char have their own TV shows on Dutch television. A lot of people (including some of my family) seem to be really taken in by this. That saddens me.
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Re: Ghosts and TV « Reply #2 on Jan 8, 2009, 11:24am »
I caught a program here in Germany which dealt with ghost investigations. I was about to shake my head in dispair, when they showed the team. It turns out the German Ghosthunters have a skeptic in their ranks who quickly tells them what logical real-world explanations can explain what they are seeing. I found that absolutely refreshing. The hunters were evening taliking about how good it is having the guy with them.
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Re: Ghosts and TV « Reply #5 on Jan 9, 2009, 4:59pm »
I have to say I'm very much in several minds about ghosts. My logical part says, there is no evidence and most of the sightings have a rational explaination. The regilious part of me says that Angellic beings can appear in forms that may explain those sightings we can't explain rationally, but I know I have no evidence to hold this, except for the final part of me that believes there is something to ghosts because people I know very well, including my gf, have seen them and short of them lying to me, something they have no reason to do, there is no natural or rational explanation for what they saw.
It must be fun to lead a life completely unburdened by reality. -- JayUtah
"On two occasions, I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." -- Charles Babbage (1791-1871)
"Cheer up!" they said, "It could be worse!" So I did, and it was.
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Re: Ghosts and TV « Reply #7 on Jan 10, 2009, 10:10am »
I think this story was from Peter Jones, the biologist, but I may be mistaken. In one of his books he describes vividly how he found himself running for his life from a polar bear, absolutely convinced that at any second he would be caught and torn apart. When this hadn't happened for an improbably long time, he risked a look over his shoulder, and realised he had been fleeing a shadow on the ice.
The brain plays a much bigger role in the seeing process than we generally give it credit for...
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Re: Ghosts and TV « Reply #8 on Jan 10, 2009, 5:31pm »
The main two that stand out to me, one was see by multiple people, the other was seen multiple times, so I doubt that they were tricks of the light or halucinations.
It must be fun to lead a life completely unburdened by reality. -- JayUtah
"On two occasions, I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." -- Charles Babbage (1791-1871)
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Re: Ghosts and TV « Reply #9 on Jan 10, 2009, 6:33pm »
My great-grandfather, who was a deaf-mute, was at the church meeting where my uncle had returned from his LDS mission in South America. He had my grandfather translating my uncle's speech for him by signing for him. Yet half-way through my uncle's speech, he told my grandfather to stop signing for him. He said he could see my deceased great-grandmother (also a deaf-mute in life) on the podium signing for him. For the rest of the meeting he watched her instead of my grandfather.
'How shall a man judge what to do in such times?' 'As he ever has judged,' said Aragorn. 'Good and ill have not changed since yesteryear; nor are they one thing among Elves and Dwarves, and another among Men. It is a man's part to discern them, as much in the Golden Wood as in his own house.'
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Re: Ghosts and TV « Reply #10 on Jan 12, 2009, 4:05pm »
Quote:
The brain plays a much bigger role in the seeing process than we generally give it credit for...
That says most of it, Al.
Indeed, the mind also plays a big part in what we hear, too, as well as how we interpret the meanings of what we see and hear.
People on the shows I mention can see vague figures and hear sounds and think them as evidence of spirits hanging around the house.
The real skeptics see it, and realize it's reflections in one's glasses (I've expereinced this; seeing shapes, but knowing that it's reflections in my glasses), and sounds from the natural enviroment.
Re: Ghosts and TV « Reply #11 on Jan 12, 2009, 7:13pm »
I am not saying ghost sightings in general are real but. . . What if we just don't know enough yet to explain it? In the mid-late 19th century, the very concept of splitting the atom was pure fantasy. The very word atom meant, 'indivisible'. Rather then dismiss the idea off hand, we should look at the evidence, and then decide. It is just possible, that sometimes, somewhere, somehow, people are really seeing something that present science can not explain.
Rather then dismiss the idea off hand, we should look at the evidence, and then decide. It is just possible, that sometimes, somewhere, somehow, people are really seeing something that present science can not explain.
And every time (that I'm aware of) the evidence has been examined critically, it is something science can easily explain.
"Earth diameter is 7,900 miles, and Moon diameter is 2,160 miles. It takes on average 90 minutes to complete one Earth orbit, so one Moon orbit should take roughly 25 minutes." - Sam "NasaScam" Colby
"you data is still open for interpretation, after all a NASA employee might of wipe a booger or dropped a hair on it" - showtime
Rather then dismiss the idea off hand, we should look at the evidence, and then decide. It is just possible, that sometimes, somewhere, somehow, people are really seeing something that present science can not explain.
And every time (that I'm aware of) the evidence has been examined critically, it is something science can easily explain.
"Cheer up!" they said, "It could be worse!" So I did, and it was.
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Re: Ghosts and TV « Reply #14 on Jan 13, 2009, 7:12am »
A while back there were apparently sightings on CCTV at Hampton Court: the question "Why is that 'ghost' wearing a security pass?" didn't go down too well with the believers
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