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Apollo 20 hoax footage « Thread Started on May 5, 2007, 6:06pm »
I just saw this today. I assume it's new and hasn't been posted here before. It's clearly fake, but I figured you guys might be interested in seeing it, if you haven't already.
There are a number of clips from the same user. I haven't watched them all yet, but of the ones i've seen, they definitely have there flaws. The Apollo 20 launch footage is really obviously fake. And you can see that the guy tried to simulate the colour wheel effect when the camera moves, but something about it doesn't seem right (plus the camera seems to be hand held).
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Re: Apollo 20 hoax footage « Reply #1 on May 5, 2007, 7:04pm »
The fact that Apollo 20 never flew should be all the evidence we need that those videos are fakes. Apollo 17 was the last Apollo mission to the moon, the only Apollo missions after that were Skylab and ASTP in low Earth orbit.
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Re: Apollo 20 hoax footage « Reply #3 on May 5, 2007, 11:16pm »
So.... someone is trying to prove that Apollo 20 was faked, by doing a faked mission since Apollo 20 was canned in 1970 and the Saturn V (AS-515) that was to fly it is now sitting on display in the Michoud Assembly Facility (First Stage) Johnson Space Center in Houston (Second Stage) and as a converted Skylab orbital workshop on display at the National Air and Space Museum (Third Stage).
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Re: Apollo 20 hoax footage « Reply #4 on May 6, 2007, 12:29am »
So.... someone is trying to prove that Apollo 20 was faked, by doing a faked mission
No, I think the person who made this is trying to make it seem like it did happen (and in secret), not that it was faked. I titled the thread "hoax footage" because it's obvious that it's fake, that's all. There are some people who seem to be falling for this stuff and believing it is real, but fortunately not that many are. I originally saw this at ats and I figured more people would be jumping on the "omg it's real!!1!" bandwagon. Especially due to the amount of people that believe the crap that John Lear spews over there. (If you don't go to ats and don't know who John Lear is, you're probably better off not knowing, it's really stupid)
Anyway I was hoping to pick apart these videos and expose there flaws. Like for example, the "Apollo 20" launch footage is a Saturn 1B I think, and not a Saturn V. The creator of these vids also mentions the colour wheel on the Westinghouse Color TV Camera on the write-up. Another big oops, since we all know they stopped using that camera after Apollo 14.
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Re: Apollo 20 hoax footage « Reply #5 on May 6, 2007, 6:04am »
Apollo 20? That means that NASA has the technology to launch a Saturn V without anyone noticing. Or did they ask they aliens to quietly carry the secret missions after Apollo 17?
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Re: Apollo 20 hoax footage « Reply #6 on May 6, 2007, 6:08pm »
Well apart from the fact that there aren't any voices which is a big flag if it was TV footage, none of the missions used the TV camera inside the LM, they all used the DAC which was 16mm film. The TV camera was in the MESA for missions 11-15 and on the Rover for 16 & 17.
The other things that stand out is that there is far too much movement and the camera position is wrong. When you compare it to the landing films of the real missions, the images are a lot more stable, and don't jump about like this ones does. The positioning is wrong because it's pointing directly out the CDR's window, the DAC was positioned above the LMP's window, as seen inthis mockup. You can tell it's the CDR's window because of the scale on it. The LMP's window didn't have it, but the CDR's window does. This would put the camera right in the way of the guy flying the LM. eta image
Finally, I think that the "Apollo 20" launch is actually a Sat-V (comparing it to Apollo 11 footage) so it's just a case of which one. I suspect 4, 6 or Skylab 1, but without checking all the launches.....
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Re: Apollo 20 hoax footage « Reply #7 on May 6, 2007, 7:36pm »
I notice that the S5 launch doesn't show the actual lift off but starts while the rocket is flying. But showing the liftoff would make it easy to show which launch was used, so they couldn't do that. The jerking in of the rocket in the frame was common enough for it top be expected, but to me, the jerking looked manufactured from a smoother source. Despite the footage from the LM showing several signs of being faked, in part it looked pretty good.
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Re: Apollo 20 hoax footage « Reply #8 on May 6, 2007, 8:08pm »
The launch video does look like a Saturn V – you can tell by the decrease in diameter at the third stage.
Here are a couple things I noticed in the video ALIEN SPACESHIP ON THE MOON flyover bef. Landing APOLLO 20…
Why are they talking to Vandenberg? Vandenberg is a launch complex, not a mission control center. My guess is the filmmaker is suggesting Vandenberg was involved because Apollo 20 was allegedly a secret mission, however an Apollo mission could never launch out of Vandenberg. Apollo must launch eastward to insert into the proper parking orbit. Vandenberg handles only southward launches for injection into polar orbits. An eastward launch from Vandenberg means over-flying populated areas, thus such launches are prohibited. Vandenberg would never have any involvement in an Apollo mission.
I assume the numbers we see are supposedly those printed on the LM windows. In several places we see the terrain outside change as the camera moves around, yet the numbers remain fixed. A good example of this occurs around 4:30. If the camera is bouncing around as it appears, then the numbers should be moving around as well. If the numbers are supposed to be what I think they are, then what we see is impossible from authentic footage.
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Re: Apollo 20 hoax footage « Reply #9 on May 6, 2007, 8:52pm »
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Finally, I think that the "Apollo 20" launch is actually a Sat-V (comparing it to Apollo 11 footage) so it's just a case of which one. I suspect 4, 6 or Skylab 1, but without checking all the launches.....
It's not Skylab1, that was a two stage version of the Saturn V with no CSM. In this video the CM and launch escape tower is clearly visible.
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Re: Apollo 20 hoax footage « Reply #10 on May 6, 2007, 9:58pm »
Looking at it again, I suspect that we're seeing a mixture of edited togther genuine and faked footage.
The very begining shows an Apollo 11 blue slide followed by a DSKY. This I believe is genuinely Apollo 11 taken inside the CM. The second section with the cratered moonscape is also quite likely genuine, though taken from the CM on either Apollo 16 or 17. The end with the Alien ship appears to be totally fake however. Not the the major artifacting into three colours is after the second transition.
So it's certainly fake, it doesn't show what it claims too, but some of the footage might have been taken from genuine archive footage.
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Re: Apollo 20 hoax footage « Reply #11 on May 7, 2007, 12:19am »
From a low (60nm) lunar orbit, it seems like the CSM was moving awfully slowly as it passed over the "ship". Either that, or the CSM was in a very high orbit, and the photog was using a very powerful telephoto lens. If this was the case, the scribed numbers on the windows would not be visible. Something amiss here...not sure what the filmmaker is trying to say here. All the "marks" on the parts of the alien ship were very impressive sounding though, whatever they are supposed to mean... Dave
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Re: Apollo 20 hoax footage « Reply #12 on May 8, 2007, 2:03pm »
I detest these "Alien bases etc on the moon" hoaxes. This latest " 1km billion year old cigar spacecraft " is obviously faked. For starters the "TV" picture is way too clear and steady. Only the 16mm DAC was clamped to the LM window rail. When the zoom-in occurs the dark numbers on the starchart should go into a complete OOF blur. This will doubtless get many thousands of views and fascinated viewERS, sadly.
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