Bob B.
Bob the Excel Guru?
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Post by Bob B. on Jul 6, 2007 11:19:26 GMT -4
I wish more 17 year olds simply thought the way BertLS does. I second that.
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Post by JayUtah on Jul 6, 2007 12:21:25 GMT -4
I just remembered I'm on federal jury duty in August. I'm hoping for preremptory dismissal. Any competent jury investigator given my name can find Clavius, so I'm hoping the party with the weaker case votes me out of the box after seeing what I do for a hobby.
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Post by Waspie_Dwarf on Jul 6, 2007 12:46:18 GMT -4
I wish more 17 year olds simply thought the way BertLS does. I just wish more 17 year olds would simply think.
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Post by Ranb on Jul 6, 2007 12:51:41 GMT -4
I'm posting on that thread too. My debating skills are not so good though. I doubt that I could convince a LC supporter that if they were on fire, they should jump into the lake. Ranb
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Post by BertL on Jul 8, 2007 9:38:32 GMT -4
Oh my, my " Six clips of thrown objects" clip on YouTube (a compilation of Data Cable's six clips rocky wasn't able to watch) has made for quite a discussion. Just thought I'd let you all know.
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Post by nomuse on Jul 8, 2007 16:06:36 GMT -4
Sheesh. The usual.
Pretty much sums up the usual HB attempt at rationalizing an observation that they insist on trying to make "how far" garbage travels versus "how far" dust travels, and try to make a point about them not matching, therefor one must be faked.
Okay, that argument fails on its own because the same force is not being applied. I mean, duh...go play beach volleyball and tell me the sand has to travel the same distance as the ball being thrown!
But it is the kind of meaningless argument the HB's love so much. They can tangle themselves around non-numerical quantities; "too much," "too little," without actually quantifying to say whether it is, indeed, too much or too little. And they ignore those aspects that can't be so easily turned into finely divided shades of grey;
The lack of dust clouds. And the lack of any sign of aerodynamic path from the thrown objects.
Again, I have this abiding image of HBs as having no day job, no hobbies, nothing that ever gets them up from behind the computer and outside the house. I've thrown plastic bags, heavy canvas bags, wadded up heavy-guage foil, carved styrofoam chunks, plates of steel.... the behavior of that debris would be a challenge.
But then this is HB land. Apparently NASA is going to go through all sorts of time and money and special effects expertise we haven't even heard of and massive evacuated underground facilities just to insert a couple shots of an apparent plastic bag (not) wafting through the (not) air.....but they can't be bothered to use single-light technique, put the fiducials on the actual camera, and put some stars in the background. Apparently the public is so sophisticated you need a turkey feather made of lead to fool them....but so dumb they don't even realize objects on set are casting multiple shadows and the on-set light fixtures are actually getting in shot?
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Post by BertL on Jul 8, 2007 16:16:03 GMT -4
I'm thinking of using the high resolution clips to measure the dust, but somehow I feel lazy. I just came home from a (more or less) party and bicycled for about 8 miles, so I'm le tired.
I'm also going to keep a strict policy on swearing. This counts for the conspiracy theorists, but just as much as for you guys (the debunkers). I'm not trying to look like the baddy or anything and I can't find any naughty words from this side, but I just thought I'd say it before it actually happens.
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rocky
Earth
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Post by rocky on Jul 10, 2007 9:58:56 GMT -4
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Post by rchappo on Jul 10, 2007 10:15:56 GMT -4
Anyone who doesn't see anything suspicious in the behavior of the astronauts here is either a disinfo agent, a blind patriot, or a moron. I think disinfo agent is the most likely. It's pretty easy to tell who the shills are on a forum. This forum is infested with shills. If it's that easy to tell then please point these shills out to me. And give me some evidence that they are being paid to spread "disinfo". It's a pretty big claim to make so back it up. You are on some pretty thin ice with this I think. You want to be careful what you accuse people of because you could end up in court saying stuff like that with no evidence.
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Post by ishmael on Jul 10, 2007 10:21:26 GMT -4
If it's that easy to tell then please point these shills out to me. It is that easy. They are the ones who disagree with him. And give me some evidence that they are being paid to spread "disinfo". They disagree with him. What other evidence do you need? It's a pretty big claim to make so back it up. You are on some pretty thin ice with this I think. You want to be careful what you accuse people of because you could end up in court saying stuff like that with no evidence. He only has a problem in court if there are damages, and there are only damages if somebody listens But I think rocky will be getting a thirty day free holiday soon.
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furi
Mars
The Secret is to keep banging those rocks together.
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Post by furi on Jul 10, 2007 10:35:42 GMT -4
The reason I will not watch a 60-90 minute video for a 2 second section is because I have a life,
Watching just the section outside of the context of the rest of the video is pointless.
I can read many times faster than people speak, but even I am not prepared to wade through 90 pages of Prejudicial crap that expects after the first paragraph that you check your knowledge in at the door, and proceed by following the conclusions then met from then on, whilst demonstrating a lack of knowledge on the subject.
Here is my theory on why we couldn't go to the moon, well as we all know the sun is hot, and the closer we get to it the hotter we get.
from there it should be obvious, I'll throw in a load of NWO type crud and blind assurance and requirement that the reader is a Mirkin and from that point on it becomes unreadable to the point of stupidity, but I'll continually sum up in nice little bullet points as a grasping of wild non linked theory come up with the Numerology that all the points add up to 5 which is the same as the the scrabble value of Conspiracy when weighted as Scrabble values.
I have so much Radiophobic Hype that I hardly find it suprising that people refer to the dross, it is just sad that people can't even be bothered to research it just a Smidge. Post your own work Rocky, stop linking to Youtube otherwise I will just start reading my responses into a webcam deliberately slowly and posting them to waste your time,
You are a shill and a disinfo agent, as you never even think of the alternatives, at least we think of your theories to discover what is wrong with them.
You are purposefully either for personal moral gain, or because you like the attention, (which although not fiscal payment is a reward for yourself) insisting that people believe a hoax myth perpetrated by people who ARE in it for the money, this is not the sign of a truthseeker or an open mind these are the actions of the gullible. Unless of course I have it AOT and it is just all the Engineers Chemists Physicists Geologists Mathmaticians Electronics, systems specialists etc that are all incorrect, (Remember THE REST OF THE WORLD)
Start to think, you might enjoy it,
*Goes outside for a smoke and a chill*
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Post by Waspie_Dwarf on Jul 10, 2007 10:41:48 GMT -4
Anyone who doesn't see anything suspicious in the behavior of the astronauts here is either a disinfo agent, a blind patriot, or a moron. I think disinfo agent is the most likely. Well as I am not a disinfo agent, nor can I come under the category of a blind patriot as I am not American I guess I am being called a moron. I demand that you present evidence that I have a substantially below average IQ or withdraw your accusation. Given that you have been given this warning: So here's the deal: I will ban Rocky for one month if he doesn't do one of the following within 24 hours of his next login: a) provide irrefutable evidence to support his accusation that we are paid to defend Apollo -- or -- b) withdraw the accusation with a sincere apology to everyone I will even send a PM to Rocky with this information just in case he doesn't read this thread. I can only assume that I will not be reading any more of your [sarcasm]truly enlightening[/sarcasm] posts until the second week in August. I would like to say how much I will miss your presence here... I would like to say it but I won't, because then I really would be guilty of spreading disinformation.
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Post by LunarOrbit on Jul 10, 2007 10:41:49 GMT -4
Since none of Rocky's post actually constituted "proof" (just more unfounded accusations) he has been banned for 30 days. If he continues to make these accusations upon his return he will be banned permanently.
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Post by BertL on Jul 10, 2007 10:44:59 GMT -4
Since none of Rocky's post actually constituted "proof" (just more unfounded accusations) he has been banned for 30 days. If he continues to make these accusations upon his return he will be banned permanently. Sound fair enough.
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Post by ishmael on Jul 10, 2007 10:47:58 GMT -4
Prediction: But I think rocky will be getting a thirty day free holiday soon. Fulfillment: Since none of Rocky's post actually constituted "proof" (just more unfounded accusations) he has been banned for 30 days. If he continues to make these accusations upon his return he will be banned permanently. I must be a prophet of some sort
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