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Post by JayUtah on Aug 21, 2008 15:28:22 GMT -4
With all due respect wd, the Apollo missions to the moon were a hoax. You need to get over it and we need to press on on.
No, we will not "press on." As you can see from the large banner at the top of this web page, the assertion that Apollo was a hoax is our primary concern at this forum. Either support your Apollo-was-fake claims or publicly withdraw them.
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Post by dmundt on Aug 21, 2008 15:32:42 GMT -4
Hey, here's another one that NASA never seems to publish. LO-III-123H3. The area is just to the southeast of Tobias Mayer and Northwest of Copernicus. Here is the diagram of the shot from guide to Lunar Orbiter Photographs NSA SP-242: And here is the photo. Oh, and here is an enlargement of an area of the center of the photo. Yawn.
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Post by Bob B. on Aug 21, 2008 15:35:34 GMT -4
Hey, here's another one that NASA never seems to publish. LO-III-123H3. The area is just to the southeast of Tobias Mayer and Northwest of Copernicus. Great ... now how about answering our questions?
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Post by gwiz on Aug 21, 2008 15:39:30 GMT -4
I have asked several times for a photo of an astronaut half way in the door and none seem to be forthcoming. I believe the reason is because it is not possible for a fully suited astronaut to squeeze through the door. Some one has posted an alleged astronaut, very well lit, inside. And an astronaut, very well lit outside. But no one has posted a photo of an astronaut half in or half out. AS11-40-5863
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Post by johnlear on Aug 21, 2008 15:53:25 GMT -4
I have asked several times for a photo of an astronaut half way in the door and none seem to be forthcoming. I believe the reason is because it is not possible for a fully suited astronaut to squeeze through the door. Some one has posted an alleged astronaut, very well lit, inside. And an astronaut, very well lit outside. But no one has posted a photo of an astronaut half in or half out. AS11-40-5863Thanks gwiz, Apparently you haven't been following along but I appreciate your effort. We already have that photo. And that photo show the astronaut already outside the door. And we have the previous photo which shows an alleged astronaut inside the door. What we can't seem to find is an astronaut, with backpack on, half way in or halfway out of the Lunar Module hatch. And the reason for this, I think, is that the hatch is about and inch or two too narrow. But thanks for your effort.
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Post by Bob B. on Aug 21, 2008 15:56:40 GMT -4
And the reason for this, I think, is that the hatch is about and inch or two too narrow. What you think is irrelevant. We're only interested in what you can demonstrate. Now how about answering our questions?
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Post by Czero 101 on Aug 21, 2008 16:06:03 GMT -4
And the reason for this, I think, is that the hatch is about and inch or two too narrow. You have the dimensions of the LM Forward Hatch. You have been given the dimensions of the PLSS. You can estimate the dimensions of an astronaut. Please show us your calculations that lead you to the conclusion that the LM Forward Hatch is too small. If you choose to continue with your hand-waving, ignoring evidence that you requested, un-willingness or inability to answer the questions posed of you, and changing of topics at your whim, then the only conclusion left is that the only reason for your being here is as a troll and time waster. If you expect to have your theories and opinions given any further consideration, then its time for you to either back up your arguments, show your calculations, answer the questions asked, or admit that you have no proof, no evidence and no understanding of the subject matter at hand. The choice is yours. Cz
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Post by johnlear on Aug 21, 2008 16:15:50 GMT -4
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Post by laurel on Aug 21, 2008 16:17:40 GMT -4
I think Nasascam has reared its head again. . .
You said that "every possible leak was anticipated and covered." If NASA was building sets for a hoax at Langley Research Center, why would they let anyone photograph them?
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Post by raven on Aug 21, 2008 16:24:11 GMT -4
Johnlear, the crowd is growing restless. Now, they don't want blood, they want answers. If you can't give them that, then in all honesty you should reject your proposal. It hurts to give an idea up, one gets so attached to them. I know, I was raised by two very nice people, who were dyed in the wool , young earth, creationists. For a long time, so was I. Through repeated, painful, soul searching, introspection, I have come to accept evolution as the most provable, and hence most scientific version of events. It has taken a while, but I am proud to say I have done it. It has opened up worlds of knowledge and discovery that I was blinded to before, blinded by my ignorance. So either prove your claims, or reject them. Call it a straw man, or a false dichotomy, or whatever. The way I see it, they are your only truly honest options.
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Post by gwiz on Aug 21, 2008 16:31:42 GMT -4
Thanks gwiz, Apparently you haven't been following along but I appreciate your effort. We already have that photo. And that photo show the astronaut already outside the door. And we have the previous photo which shows an alleged astronaut inside the door. What we can't seem to find is an astronaut, with backpack on, half way in or halfway out of the Lunar Module hatch. And the reason for this, I think, is that the hatch is about and inch or two too narrow. But thanks for your effort. Shrug, it's a long thread with a lot in it. This is getting like a creationist debate, there is a gap in the fossil record, a demand for a missing link, a missing link that sits in the gap is produced, now there are two gaps that need missing links. However, the two photos come from the same roll, taken from a similar position, and the first certainly looks to me like the backpack is narrower than the hatch. I'm pretty sure that there is video of astronauts getting back inside the LM.
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Post by johnlear on Aug 21, 2008 16:31:51 GMT -4
Johnlear, the crowd is growing restless. Now, they don't want blood, they want answers. If you can't give them that, then in all honesty you should reject your proposal. It hurts to give an idea up, one gets so attached to them. I know, I was raised by two very nice people, who were dyed in the wool , young earth, creationists. For a long time, so was I. Through repeated, painful, soul searching, introspection, I have come to accept evolution as the most provable, and hence most scientific version of events. It has taken a while, but I am proud to say I have done it. It has opened up worlds of knowledge and discovery that I was blinded to before, blinded by my ignorance. So either prove your claims, or reject them. Call it a straw man, or a false dichotomy, or whatever. The way I see it, they are your only truly honest options. Yeah, yeah, I noted that raven. 1684 views in a little over a day. You don't think they want Jay's blood do you?
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Post by JayUtah on Aug 21, 2008 16:42:23 GMT -4
And the reason for this, I think, is that the hatch is about and inch or two too narrow.
This is not a method. This is simply an assertion. Please describe the method you used to determine that the space-suited astronaut would not fit through the forward LM hatch.
You were invited to come here to defend your findings. Do you intend to do any such thing?
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Post by Bob B. on Aug 21, 2008 16:45:53 GMT -4
The Apollo Mission to the moon was one of the biggest hoaxes in history. It was planned with great care. Every possible leak was anticipated and covered. Then how do you know about it? Wait, wait, wait Jay. Don't tell me. I know. They were just practicing for the real landings? I knew it. I just knew it. But of course. What good are practice simulations if they don't look and fell like the real thing?
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Post by JayUtah on Aug 21, 2008 16:48:59 GMT -4
Every possible leak was anticipated and covered.We'll discuss this below. Even I was an Apollo Hugger...Every conspiracy theorist says he was once on NASA's side. So far you're following the typical script. ...when a friend sent me the videos...So like a gullible kid you watched a few YouTube videos and now you're an expert and fully informed? Please! Here are some photos taken at the NASA Langley Research Center preparing for the hoax landings:So much for "Every leak was anticipated and covered." The press had remarkable access to the training operations. There was a lot of period film and press on it. Now you're saying this was the trappings of the fakery. Wait, wait, wait Jay. Don't tell me. I know. They were just practicing for the real landings? I knew it. I just knew it. Yes, that's what the evidence indicates. Do you object to practicing something before doing it? You are the one proposing an additional or alternate use for this equipment, and making contradictory claims regarding it. The burden of proof for that is yours. For now you're simply repeating the fanciful claims of Sam Colby. I take it you've spent some time over at NASAScam.
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