Sabine
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Post by Sabine on Nov 18, 2009 14:14:33 GMT -4
Tomblvd, Sabine, we occasionally get posters who say that they have not convinced us, because we are brainwashed, but that the lurkers know the real truth. Thank you for de-lurking long enough to admire the great work done here. Though certainly not by me. I'm another "I don't understand very much, but all of this makes it pretty transparent to me" type. Especially the doughnut. Though I refuse to believe the Van Allen Belts are glazed. Powdered, maybe, or chocolate. Obviously, they would be sprinkled. Particle radiation and all that. ;D
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Post by laurel on Nov 18, 2009 14:16:30 GMT -4
So wait, why would they then risk Astronauts to the moon if they couldn't figure out the dimensions and the radiation intensities of the belts? I mean, what if there was another belt, or field of radiation they weren't aware of? Who cares, NASA is made up of cowboys, not scientists. Astronaut safety? That's for those wimpy Russians. The Russians were trying to send men to the Moon too. AFAIK, it wasn't the radiation that stopped them, it was mostly the poor organization of their program and the fact that their N-1 launch vehicle exploded every time they tried to launch it. I wonder if you believe that Zond 5 was real.
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Post by tomblvd on Nov 18, 2009 14:37:32 GMT -4
So I wonder why...you would be inclined to even try and educated him further. One of the purposes of this board is to achieve a comprehensive record of moon hoax claims and the thorough discussion and rebuttal of those claims. The more of FM's questions that are answered, or shown to be meaningless, the further we are to that goal. No one can legitimately claim that FM has not been allowed his say in this discussion and we are happy to let the record of rebuttals stand to examination. Though sometimes difficult, patience with those unwittingly helping you toward your goals has its own reward. Having spent many hours beating my head against my monitor (anybody remember the early days and Clyde Lewis, ah, memories), I realize that any and all misstatement must be addressed. It just seems to me after 16 pages of saying the same thing to fm, it's time to label him a troll and move on. I must say though, that the graphics on this thread are great and will be an immense help debating the next "BUT the Van Allen Belts?!?!" poster that comes along. They really explain the issue well, fm's ignorance notwithstanding.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Nov 18, 2009 19:46:02 GMT -4
I wonder how fm pentrates the dense fabric of his clothes every morning. Seems like it would be impossible to insert a body into clothes without destroying them. Dangerous even, considering zippers... Unless... Wait a minute, I have to go try something... ... ... Yes, as it turns out, you can in fact get in and out of your clothes via the openings. Sorry, photographic evidence is required to prove that claim. (oh come on, someone had to say what you were all thinking. )
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Post by Ginnie on Nov 18, 2009 19:52:03 GMT -4
I actually thought the donut graphic was the best one here. Maybe that's just me...
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Post by PhantomWolf on Nov 18, 2009 20:03:05 GMT -4
Who cares, NASA is made up of cowboys, not scientists. Astronaut safety? That's for those wimpy Russians. You mean the same whimpy Soviets that forced Gagarin to eject from his spacecraft before it landed because the landing system wasn't capable of a soft enough landing? The same ones that very nearly killed Alexei Leonov on his spacewalk because his suit expanded meaning he had to empty his suit of air before being able to get back inside the airlock? The same ones that did kill Vladimir Komarov when his Soyuz 1 capsule retrorockets failed ploughing him into the ground? The same ones that nearly killed Boris Volynov when his Soyuz 5 re-entry capsule failed to separate? The same ones that did kill Vladislav Volkov, Georgi Dobrovolski and Viktor Patsayev when their Soyuz 11 spacecraft depressurised on re-entry? The same ones that destroyed not one, but two launching facilities when their N-1 rocket exploded on July 3rd 1969, still the largest accidental explosion in the world? The same ones that still hold the record for most personnel killed in a missile accident with the Nedelin disaster on 24 October 1960? The same ones that planned to use a elongated and fuel-cell run Soyuz craft (the LOK) to get to the moon, and one man lander (the LK) that required a spacewalk to get into and out of? You mean those whimpy Russians?
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Post by laurel on Nov 18, 2009 20:18:59 GMT -4
There was also a cosmonaut named Valentine Bondarenko who died after a 1961 fire in a test chamber. But his death was covered up for a long time. www.jamesoberg.com/usd10.html
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Sabine
Mercury
A closed mouth gathers no foot
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Post by Sabine on Nov 19, 2009 4:36:05 GMT -4
I wonder how fm pentrates the dense fabric of his clothes every morning. Seems like it would be impossible to insert a body into clothes without destroying them. Dangerous even, considering zippers... Unless... Wait a minute, I have to go try something... ... ... Yes, as it turns out, you can in fact get in and out of your clothes via the openings. Sorry, photographic evidence is required to prove that claim. (oh come on, someone had to say what you were all thinking. ) I'll leave that to the professionals. After all, I'm not an engineer. ;D
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Post by ineluki on Nov 19, 2009 8:54:30 GMT -4
Tomblvd, Sabine, we occasionally get posters who say that they have not convinced us, because we are brainwashed, but that the lurkers know the real truth. I can't help remembering the old "lurkers and viewers"-poll. It ended quite bad for the last one who made the claim that the lurkers saw through the hoax. apollohoax.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=theories&action=display&thread=1022
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Bob B.
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Post by Bob B. on Nov 19, 2009 11:16:30 GMT -4
Bob, I hope you'll be making sure that the animation is microsecond perfect to the timeline of actual events... Sorry to disappoint you, but it’s not an animation. It is just a series of views from various perspectives. I’m also working on overlaying the trajectory on isomaps of the radiation belts. Bob, I look forward to your project, but I fear it won't help a bit. It probably won’t help fm, but I’m not doing it for fm. Fm is more interested in trolling than he is in learning. One of the purposes of this board is to achieve a comprehensive record of moon hoax claims and the thorough discussion and rebuttal of those claims. The more of FM's questions that are answered, or shown to be meaningless, the further we are to that goal. Exactly. What I’m working on is something I hope can be referenced in the future whenever this “deadly VAB” issue raises its ugly head. This isn’t something I’m doing half baked; I’m making a very serious effort to document each step along the way. I anticipate having Part I finished by Friday. Part II, if it happens, will be an effort to produce an integrated solution to the (unprotected) radiation exposure based AE-8/AP-8 data and the spacecraft’s position versus time. There have obviously been some quick solutions to this problem by various people, but I’d like to try to come up with something a bit more detailed to throw back in the critics’ faces.
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Post by gillianren on Nov 19, 2009 16:28:27 GMT -4
I can't help remembering the old "lurkers and viewers"-poll. That's the one I was thinking about, yeah.
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Post by Count Zero on Nov 20, 2009 1:09:55 GMT -4
I can't help remembering the old "lurkers and viewers"-poll. That's the one I was thinking about, yeah. IIRC, that was for DavidC's "benefit".
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Bob B.
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Post by Bob B. on Nov 20, 2009 22:32:18 GMT -4
Okay folks, I finally got it done. Wow, that was a lot more work than I thought it was going to be! Apollo 11's Translunar TrajectoryAfter seeing what this trajectory actually looks like, I have to admit that some of my earlier comments were in error. I envisioned the trajectory inclined more along the major axis, but it is actually inclined almost entirely along the minor axis. It seems that Jason Thompson's original drawing, which I criticized, was not too far off the mark. I apologize for all the math, but I wanted to make sure all my work was shown so I couldn't be accused of trying to bluff my way though it. If some HB wants to criticize, they're going to have to show specifically why they think I'm wrong. You can easily skip the math and scroll down to where the illustrations begin.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Nov 21, 2009 3:38:14 GMT -4
Nice work Bob
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vq
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Post by vq on Nov 21, 2009 5:10:17 GMT -4
I apologize for all the math... The math is particularly welcome when accompanied with pretty pictures. That's what we call the best of both worlds. Great job!
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