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|  | Re: New version of pinted backdrop claim?
« Reply #1 on Feb 22, 2012, 1:13am » | |
I'm not following his argument on the way he thinks the background was faked. I can follow his attempt to use simple geometry to compare the height of South Massif, but three problems occur to me immediately; that he doesn't know where the "base" is from the surface photographs, but only where it is cut off by local horizon; that the height in the contour map is not the height from the local ground level (most probably it is height to reference spheroid but I'm guessing here); and I see nothing in his analysis to account for spherical distortion in the camera lens.
Past that, I can't even swear he is calculating the field of view correctly, or the distance from the feature.
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« Reply #2 on Feb 22, 2012, 2:19am » | |
Feb 22, 2012, 1:00am, Ranb wrote:| I was going to work on this, but I was banned from the forum. |
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That sure seems to happen a lot on hoaxer forums, doesn't it?
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« Reply #3 on Feb 22, 2012, 10:10am » | |
Yes, it seems to happen a lot. Nukelies does not allow any disagreement with their basic premise that nuclear power in any form is a fraud and those that do not conform are labeled trolls and banned.
I think the forum membership mostly consists of spoiled teenagers raised by nazis.
Is there a way to account for spherical distortion caused by the lens and determine how much it is?
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| | Re: New version of painted backdrop claim?
« Reply #4 on Feb 22, 2012, 12:17pm » | |
Feb 22, 2012, 10:10am, Ranb wrote:| Is there a way to account for spherical distortion caused by the lens and determine how much it is? |
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Somewhere I have the formal lens model for the Zeiss Biogon, but I've recently moved offices and I have no clue where half my stuff is.
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| | Re: New version of painted backdrop claim?
« Reply #5 on Feb 22, 2012, 1:41pm » | |
Feb 22, 2012, 2:19am, ka9q wrote:
Feb 22, 2012, 1:00am, Ranb wrote:| I was going to work on this, but I was banned from the forum. |
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That sure seems to happen a lot on hoaxer forums, doesn't it?
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I hardly posted there. I'm not sure if I even posted at all. I got a new computer and went to log in and it looks like I've been banned too. I just get a "this account is inactive" error. How open-minded that are!
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« Reply #6 on Feb 22, 2012, 2:49pm » | |
Then does it sound like a place where you really wanna spend time typing responses that are almost sure to get ignored or removed?
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« Reply #7 on Feb 22, 2012, 3:57pm » | |
frenat, what name did you use on that site?
Jay, I am not going back to the site. But I was interested as this guy seemed to have actually put some effort into the drawings and calulations unless he got them from someone else. I had never seen this kind of effort outside of YouTube. 
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| | Re: New version of painted backdrop claim?
« Reply #8 on Feb 22, 2012, 8:06pm » | |
Feb 22, 2012, 3:57pm, Ranb wrote:frenat, what name did you use on that site?
Jay, I am not going back to the site. But I was interested as this guy seemed to have actually put some effort into the drawings and calulations unless he got them from someone else. I had never seen this kind of effort outside of YouTube.
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It was frenat. Same as I use everywhere. I only used the account to track the nonsense posts there anyway.
Update:
I was contacted (by PM) by Rerevisionist, the moderator of that forum, and he said he reactivated my account. They periodically make accounts inactive if they haven't posted. I mentioned that I may not post, that I mainly used the account to track new posts. His next PM revealed he didn't even know what that meant and that even unregistered users could read all posts. I explained that only if you were registered with an active account could you get emails informing you of new posts. His response? A Pm that I can't read as my account is now inactive again. How open-minded!
thread continued on the new board here
http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=40.0
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