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Post by Kiwi on May 5, 2006 11:26:52 GMT -4
Does anyone have any lists of all the personnel in the various teams in MOCR (The Mission Control Room in Houston) during the Apollo missions? They may be buried in obscure PDF files.
Also the whereabouts of any photos would be appreciated for putting names to faces.
I'm compiling lists of scenes and people in the official Nasa films of the missions and in some cases have a phonetic version of a name from a DVD, but not the correct spelling. I have recently been working on the Apollo 13 film and identified one of my heroes, Steve Bales (the Apollo 11 1201 and 1202 alarm man), who shows up in a number of scenes.
The following lists the Apollo 13 black and white teams, but it only lists the heads of each section and doesn't include assistants.
White team
Flight Director E. F. Kranz
Asst Flt Dir J. M. Leeper
RETRO B. T. Spencer
FIDO W. M. Stoval
GUIDO W. E. Fenner
EECOM S. A. Liebergot
GNC B. N. Willoughby
TELMU R. H. Heselmeyer
CONTROL L. W. Strimple
INCO G. B. Scott
Procedures J. R. Fucci
FAO E. B. Pippert
Surgeon W. R. Hawkins
Black team
Flight Director G. S. Lunney
Asst Flt Dir L. W. Keyser
RETRO T. E. Weichel
FIDO W. J. Boone
GUIDO J. G. Renick
EECOM W. C. Burton
GNC J. A. Kamman
TELMU W. M. Merritt
CONTROL H. A. Loden
INCO T. L. Hanchett
Procedures E. W. Thompson
FAO T. R. Lindsey
Surgeon G. F. Humbert
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Post by Kiwi on May 5, 2006 11:27:47 GMT -4
Sample from "Apollo 13: Houston, We’ve Got a Problem" -- Film HQ 200
0:00:00 Start
0:00:00 NASA Emblem
0:00:05 Jim Lovell during TV broadcast — "This little tape recorder..."
0:00:10 [Four engineers]
0:00:12 [-], Chester Lee, Rocco Petrone, Sig Sjoberg
0:00:13 Control room
0:00:22 Sig Sjoberg, Jim McDivitt
0:00:24 Vance Brand, Jack Lousma, Deke Slayton
0:00:29 [-], [-]
0:00:32 Vance Brand, Jack Lousma
0:00:33 Control room - after the explosion
0:00:38 Jim Lovell closing TV broadcast
0:00:55 "Stir up your cryo tanks…"
0:01:09 Jack Lousma
0:01:11 Eugene F. Kranz - White Team Flight Director
0:01:11 GET 55:54:53 "Okay, Houston, we’ve had a problem here."
0:01:12 Ken Mattingly
0:01:14 Gene Kranz
0:01:14 "This is Houston, say again please."
0:01:16 "Ah, Houston, we’ve had a problem."
0:01:17 Jack Lousma
0:01:18 "We’ve had a Main B bus undervolt…"
0:01:19 Rocco Petrone
0:01:20 John Young
0:01:23 Console
0:01:24 Will E. Fenner - White Team GUIDO
0:01:26 [Joe Allen?]
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0:05:04 Chris Kraft, Jim McDivitt, Robert Gilruth
0:05:07 [-] (rear), Jack Lousma, Deke Slayton, Edgar Mitchell, Ken Mattingly
0:05:08 [Three engineers], Will Fenner, Steve Bales (obscured), Sy Liebergot
0:05:11 Jack Swigert describing explosion
0:05:12 John Young
0:05:14 Deke Slayton, Tom Stafford, Ken Mattingly, Gene Cernan, Jack Lousma (front), Joe Engle, John Young
0:05:21 Gene Kranz
0:05:22 [-], Will Fenner, Steve Bales (partly obscured)
0:05:29 Data screens
0:05:34 [-], Will Fenner
0:05:36 Typist
0:05:38 Fred Haise describing valve shutdown
0:05:39 Reporter
0:05:41 Reporters
0:05:44 Typist
0:05:46 Reporter
0:05:47 Reporter
0:05:49 Press room
0:05:52 Will Fenner, Steve Bales
0:05:53 GET 56:09:07 Lovell: "We are venting something..."
0:05:54 Deke Slayton, Ken Mattingly, Tom Stafford, Jack Lousma, John Young
0:06:00 Gene Kranz
0:06:02 Control room
0:06:05 Jack Kamman, [Greenjacketman], John Aaron
0:06:09 [Neil Hutchinson?], Jack Kamman, [Greenjacketman], John Aaron
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00:14:12 [DODman]
0:14:15 Simulator
0:14:15 Gerald Griffin - Gold Team Flight Director
0:14:25 Gerry Griffin, [-]
0:14:48 View above Taurus Littrow — probably not from Apollo 13
0:15:09 Newsmen
0:15:12 Reporter
0:15:14 Typist and newsman
0:15:19 Press room
0:15:22 [-], Vance Brand, John Young
0:15:26 GET 77:56:40 Impact of the third stage on the moon recorded by Apollo 12 seismometer
0:15:27 [Engineers]
0:15:32 [-], [-], Will Fenner, [-], Steve Bales
0:15:35 Gene Kranz
0:15:37 Seismometer
0:15:53 Ken Mattingly
0:15:55 [-], Hal Loden
0:15:57 GET 105:18:42 Second flight correction burn
0:15:58 [-], Dale Myers, Chester Lee, Rocco Petrone
0:15:59 [-], [-] and data screen
0:16:02 [-]
0:16:05 Robert Gilruth
0:16:08 [-] and data screens
0:16:12 Gene Kranz, Gerry Griffin
0:16:14 Vance Brand
0:16:16 Deke Slayton
0:16:18 [-]
0:16:24 Gene Kranz, Gerry Griffin
0:16:26 Will Fenner, [Six others]
0:16:32 Lunar Module Control Engineer's console
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Post by Kiwi on May 9, 2006 7:08:13 GMT -4
Sigh! No takers yet.  In the last post I said "NASA Emblem" at 0:00:00, but am not sure if that's the right term. Can anyone advise? Should it be seal, logo or something else? Square braces with a dash show people I haven't been able to identify, and question marks show where I'm unsure of the name or its spelling. Also, does anyone know of a source for good-quality DVDs of all the official films of Mercury, Gemini and Apollo? There's a lot of rip-off rubbish around that is taken from poor-quality, faded movie film and edited to much shorter lengths than the originals. I have two DVDs, "Apollo 11-14 The Eagle Has Landed" and "Apollo 15-17 In the Mountains of the Moon", by Artsmagic, which are poor quality, and the Apollo 12 film is condensed to 8 minutes 28 seconds from its original 28 minutes 21 seconds. Another set of 3, "NASA 1 A Space Odyssey" (through to NASA 3), by Control Productions, are of highly variable quality, and the best set is "The American Space Odyssey", a set of four from HHO Multimedia, but they don't include the Apollo 12 or 14 movies. The Spacecraft Films' set for Apollo 13 includes the movie and although it is the correct length, it is taken from poor-quality film. After seeing how brilliant those 16mm films can look in the movie "For All Mankind", it seems that it's time NASA had some new versions of the films made, or at least re-released the originals in better shape. Good-quality videos could be bought in the 1980s, but I've not heard of good DVDs. Disc 3 of "The American Space Odyssey" set mentions The NASA Authorized Video Library on 1-800-701-NASA. Is there a similar DVD library? |
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Post by gwiz on May 9, 2006 7:46:34 GMT -4
The Apollo 11 list is on page 17 of this pdf, while this link has the flight directors for all the manned missions. Edit for better version of FD list. |
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Post by Kiwi on May 9, 2006 21:57:44 GMT -4
Many thanks for that PDF file, Gwiz. At 2.82 - 2.93 KB/sec download speed on dialup it was a long process getting the 7 MB file, but worth the wait. That is one spectacular list of personnel, most of whom will have been on other missions. It's a real pity that faces can't be seen in the photographs, but it will still be useful. I wasn't far wrong in guessing that a list of names might be hidden in some obscure PDF file.
I previously downloaded all 155 pages of "Apollo By the Numbers" (and alerted the NASA history people to problems accessing all of them) because it's such a useful reference, but forgot that it had a list of Flight Directors, so thanks for also reminding me of that.
Edited to add:
"Apollo By the Numbers" still has problems with links, as follows. I'll alert them again.
Apollo 1 The Fire
Has no link buttons at the bottom
Apollo 1 Spacecraft History
Has no link buttons at the bottom and cannot be accessed from Apollo 1 The Fire (this last one seems to have been fixed now)
Apollo 1 Fire Timeline
Can only be accessed with the Back button from Apollo 7 The First Mission
Apollo 8 Objectives
Link buttons only partially visible
The Apollo 8 Timeline
Not linked to at all, from either:
Apollo 8 Translunar Phase
Apollo 9 The Third Mission
Apollo 8 Transearth Phase
No link buttons at the bottom
Apollo 9 The Third Mission
No link buttons at the bottom
Additionally, all pages could do with a link back to the contents page.
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Post by Kiwi on May 12, 2006 6:19:41 GMT -4
The title of the document in the above PDF is: Flight Operations Reunion for the Apollo 11 20th Anniversary of the First Manned Lunar Landing 1969 - 1989.
A few words from Gene Kranz on the 7th page sum up precisely how many people felt in July 1969 – even those of us on the other side of the world -- and contrast strongly with the lowly, mean-spirited state of mind of hoax-promoters:
The Apollo 11 accomplishment represents one of the most important eras of technical achievement for all mankind. We were fortunate to have been participants in great events. During the days of July 1969, when man landed on the moon and walked the surface, the world was unified in what "could be" if we truly possessed the courage, conviction, and the strong compelling desire to make things happen. For those few days, humanity lifted its sights to the heavens and looked beyond our earthly existence. We found there was no limit beyond that which we placed on ourselves. We found the freedom, the exhilaration, and the triumph of high achievement. Our Nation provided this gift to all humanity -- the shared sense of adventure and the exhilaration of being present during a major event in history. We demonstrated the unity of purpose and for a short time mankind was together as one.
In remembrance of this time, place, and event, we are publishing this book to recognize those who were present and a witness to writing the history on that day. May God once again bless us with the opportunity to do our all for our Nation and for humanity.
Sincerely,
Eugene F. Kranz
Apollo 11 – White Flight
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Post by dwight on May 12, 2006 19:42:53 GMT -4
KIWI, Mark's Apollo 13 DVD has commentary by Sy Liebrgot in which he describes all the personelle on screen by name. Well worth getting if you havent already.
cheers
Dwight
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Post by Kiwi on May 13, 2006 10:04:13 GMT -4
Yes, thanks. I've been closely following Sy's commentary. He helped me identify a few people, but some that he names aren't in the movies and he couldn't remember the name of the guy I've called "DODman" at 14:12 in the Apollo 13 movie.
I think that a guy may be wrongly identified as Steve Bales at 0:08:19 in the DVD of the movie "For All Mankind." Can anyone help? Bales looked different in the Apollo 13 movie and wore glasses with lenses that were quite dark.
The same DVD mislables Joe Kerwin as Glyn Lunney at 0:09:27, Young and Stafford as Apollo 11 astronauts at 0:15:31, Gerry Griffin as Jim Lovell at 0:34:36, Glyn Lunney as Gene Lunney at 0:46:36, the Apollo 15 rover as Apollo 17 at 0:54:34 and 0:54:52, Scott & Irwin as Cernan & Schmitt at 0:57:47, Apollo 16's House Rock as Apollo 17, and Apollo 15's LM and Mount Hadley as Apollo 17. It is a great movie, but Criterion wasn't rigorous enough over the labelling.
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Post by naraht on Oct 30, 2006 7:01:50 GMT -4
This is a very late reply, since I just found this thread using a Google search; I hope that Kiwi is still posting here regularly. Kiwi, this sounds like a very interesting project. I would love to see more of the lists that you've put together, and might well be able to help out. Even more help might be provided by Sy Liebergot himself, who posts on the Collectspace boards and is very willing to answer questions. Have you seen the PDFs of the flight control manning lists for the Apollo missions? The (very large) file is available here and might just be what you're looking for: www.klabs.org/history/history_docs/jsc_t/flight_controllers.pdf |
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Post by Kiwi on Oct 30, 2006 8:31:35 GMT -4
Thanks, Naraht, and welcome to ApolloHoax. I haven't come across the Collectspace Forum before, so will have a good look at it. I've long hoped that some of the ex-Apollo MOCR personnel might hang out somewhere on the internet and I'd eventually find them or someone else who can help. If you do a personal message for me with your email address I'll send you the indexes form the Apollo movies. They are in an Excel '95 spreadsheet. Currently I'm working on the "From the Earth to the Moon" DVDs (see www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?p=850011#post850011and following posts.) I've also done an index of scenes and people and a complete transcript of both soundtracks of "For All Mankind." It's pretty bad how some of this historical stuff is getting mislabelled by people who don't know or don't care about the facts. You have to be a real pedant to do it properly. A current pet peeve of mine was probably started in "For All Mankind" and I've seen it often on TV in recent years: Neil Armstrong jumping down to the footpad and then his voice saying he has stepped onto the moon, which he didn't do until later. In FTETTM, during some Saturn 5 launches they announce ignition commencing just after the 9-second mark as actually happened, and some they don't, but they portray it only starting at zero instead of liftoff happening at zero. And some of their backgrounds to flight scenes are lousy -- Apollo 8 flying almost due south between the Indus River and the Gulf of Kutch and later flying northwest above the Gulf of California during TLI. And in daylight in both cases.  Others: 0:33:26 Error: Northern hemisphere of moon shaded, southern lit. This never happens. 0:38:14 Error: Lunar orbit insertion begins a long way above the front of the moon instead of 75.6 nautical miles above the back. In this case there would be no loss of signal prior to the burn. 0:40:09 Error: Both the moon and CSM are in shadow. There is reflected light on the CM, but no source to put it there — neither Earth nor moon. 0:42:47 Error: No contact with Apollo 8, but as the astronauts could see the Earth, contact would have been established. 0:47:44 Error: Light from below on the earth, from the right on the moon, and from above on Apollo 8. Only the sun would be lighting all three. |
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