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Post by david on Jan 15, 2007 13:12:51 GMT -4
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Post by gwiz on Jan 15, 2007 13:21:38 GMT -4
There are a lot of people who surprisingly are not saying that 9/11 was an inside job-not just Chomsky. I think it's quite possible that they are afraid to speak their minds. Just shows there's a difference between being anti the US government and being ridiculously credulous, I suppose. How come none of that "Scholars for 9/11 Truth" bunch have grandchildren? Or are you just making allegations without any evidence again?
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Post by david on Jan 15, 2007 14:32:44 GMT -4
It wasn't an allegation--it was a theory. I think it's a quite plausible theory. If the US goverenment can train death squads in the third world to torture and murder people who join movements to democratically elect leaders who represent them instead of US companies who operate in those countries, I think it's perfectly plausible to think they could do similar things (more subtly of course) inside the US. Enter "Death squads" in this search engine to see what I'm talking about. www.thirdworldtraveler.com/htdig/search.html
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Post by gillianren on Jan 15, 2007 17:46:01 GMT -4
It wasn't an allegation--it was a theory. No, David, theories require evidence. Do you have evidence to show that Noam Chomsky's family has been threatened but Stephen Jones's hasn't? No. You have rampant speculation based on biased websites.
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Post by Grand Lunar on Jan 16, 2007 22:23:14 GMT -4
It wasn't an allegation--it was a theory. I think it's a quite plausible theory. If the US goverenment can train death squads in the third world to torture and murder people who join movements to democratically elect leaders who represent them instead of US companies who operate in those countries, I think it's perfectly plausible to think they could do similar things (more subtly of course) inside the US. Enter "Death squads" in this search engine to see what I'm talking about. www.thirdworldtraveler.com/htdig/search.htmlDavid, any ideas that claim that 9/11 was an inside job, and that the US is evil is plausible to you. Websites aren't evidence. You obviously haven't learned that, have you? I once thought it was plausible that the Earth had a natural fission reactor at it's core. It only made sense until I read what real scientists said of that claim. The same applies to you, David, except that you don't look for real answers. You hold a view, and stick to it, no matter how ludacrious. I also like to know if you can ever bring up a point without invoking any links to conspiracy websites? It's getting old with you.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jan 16, 2007 23:21:57 GMT -4
But he has to link to other people's websites, how else can he show that he actually is capable of original thought?
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Post by gillianren on Jan 17, 2007 1:05:09 GMT -4
Right.
By the way, I don't remember when I first heard of Noam Chomsky--for one thing, he writes in the field of linguistics, too, so I might've heard of that long before the political stuff--but my best friend confirms that she was reading it in the early to mid 90s.
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Post by PeterB on Jan 17, 2007 9:08:49 GMT -4
David
Let me check this to make sure I got it right:
1. The fact that there's no evidence that 9/11 was faked is proof that evidence has been suppressed.
2. The fact that traditional critics of the government accept the official story is proof they're being pressured.
So, in other words, the very evidence that would suggest that the official story is what actually happened is actually evidence that it was faked?
Do you suppose that defence lawyers try that one in court? "Your Honour, the police have presented evidence that my client was found at the scene of the crime, with the victim's blood all over his clothing. They have also presented evidence that witnesses heard my client threaten to kill the victim only a minute before he was shot, and those same witnesses heard my client confess his guilt immediately afterwards. They have also presented evidence that the handgun he was holding when he was arrested was the murder weapon. Your Honour, can't you see my client must be innocent? That amount of evidence could only have been assembled against him if he was being set up!"
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Post by Al Johnston on Jan 17, 2007 9:35:17 GMT -4
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Post by sts60 on Jan 17, 2007 12:36:00 GMT -4
By the way, I don't remember when I first heard of Noam Chomsky--for one thing, he writes in the field of linguistics, too, so I might've heard of that long before the political stuff--but my best friend confirms that she was reading it in the early to mid 90s.
Chomsky has been around a long time - whatever you think of him - and has been accusing the government of committing and/or abetting murder, particularly in Central America, for quite a long time.
It's just that, because he's not doing it this time, he's plainly being suppressed. Of course. Just like anyone else who doesn't agree that the gov't pulled of 9/11 (unless they're a dupe/stooge/etc.).
BTW, my invitation still stands.
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Post by stutefish on Jan 17, 2007 12:38:08 GMT -4
At this point in a thread, I usually start wondering what the HB does for a living, and what reasoning techniques they use on the job, or with their families, and how well those techniques actually work.
I mean, I'm a systems administrator: I babysit a bunch of servers, and maintain them at the OS and hardware level.
In my daily life, when I'm confronted with a problem at work, I generally assume that the more evidence there is for a particular root cause, the more likely it is that that particular root cause is the real root cause.
I wonder if this is how David conducts his business in real life, or if he's having a lot of success with the "more evidence means less likely" approach at work and at home.
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Post by david on Jan 22, 2007 12:38:42 GMT -4
I don't see how anybody can say that with a straight face. Have you seen "Painful Deceptions", "Loose Change", "In Plane Sight", or "The Great Conspiracy"? www.question911.com/linksall.htmThese are pretty good too. video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8172271955308136871video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8989407671184881047&q=9%2F11s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?act=idxwww.snowshoefilms.com/featured.htmlOnce people see a couple of these documentaries there isn't much you can do to make them think that 9/11 wasn't an inside job. The evidence is too clear. This photo here is proof by itself if it hasn't been doctored. www.hongpong.com/lib/images/plane77_contrast_adj.jpgIt's the photo released by the government so it's not likely that it's been doctored. It's obviously not the nose of a 757--it's too pointed. This other picture of it shows that it's too short to be a 757. 0911.site.voila.fr/index3.htm If somebody's grandchildren start to have accidents after somebody alleges that 9/11 was an inside job, it's too obvious. They probably talked to Chomsky before he had a chance to comment on it as the government knows that a lot of people listen when he talks. The same is probably true of the other people I mentioned above. The evidence is circumstantial. It's very out-of-character for Chomsky and those other people to ignore the evidence in those videos. Chomsky has also said some very dogmatic things about this. It's very out-of character for Chomsky to be dogmatic. That was probably his way of telling us that he knows 9/11 was an inside job but can't say anything. www.oilempire.us/chomsky.htmlI think he also says Oswald killed Kennedy. That's what I've read but I haven't seen the exact quote. He was probably visited by some goons from the government long ago on that one. That's a red flag right there. He can't really believe that. That's a pretty simple-minded statement. Evidence is pictures, physical things like plane parts, witnesses, etc. They can be on TV, DVDs, or the internet. We just have to try to figure out what was planted or doctored and which witness were planted, etc. You seem to be suffering from "Invincible ignorance and/or "Cognitive dissonance". www.cuyamaca.edu/bruce.thompson/fallacies/invincible_ignorance.asp www.learningandteaching.info/learning/dissonance.htmI showed you this a long time ago and explained that this is basic knowledge outside of the US. www.theunjustmedia.com/major_general_smedley_butler.htmLet's hear your analysis of it now. Those sites I post are reality sites as what they say reflects reality. I'd learned what those articles and videos say long before I read about it just from living abroad. I've already posted this list on some other threads but here it is again. www.thismodernworld.org/arc/1995/95-05-17-Guatemala.gifwww.geocities.com/~virtualtruth/guatemal.htm www.globalpolicy.org/empire/history/2002/0413angola.htm www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/42a/127.html www.namebase.org/scott.html www.truthout.org/docs_2005/WTI062405V.shtmlwww.huppi.com/kangaroo/CIAtimeline.htmlwww.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/KillingHope_page.htmlmichaelparenti.org/Imperialism101.htmlwww.chomsky.info/articles/19860409.htmwww.antipasministries.com/html/file0000133.htmwww.chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/chomskyin1282.htmlwww.michaelparenti.org/yugoslavia.htmlwww.lobster-magazine.co.uk/articles/l30iran.htm www.zmag.org/chomsky/sam/sam-contents.htmlwww.scuttlebuttsmallchow.com/racket.htmlwww.informationclearinghouse.info/article13622.htm video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3117338213439292490&pl=true video.google.es/videoplay?docid=1130731388742388243www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11635.htm video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7333556703536657423 video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8797525979024486145video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4827358238697503 video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3453261789658676035&q=oilvideo.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8085945499556832271www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8171.htmwww.informationclearinghouse.info/article14295.htmwww.jonhs.net/911/911_american_empire.htmwww.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20061222&articleId=4245www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13416.htm Let's hear your analysis of one or two of them. I'm sorry but this is the reality of what the US government does outside of the US. Chomsky and those other people know about it and write about it but they have to be careful. Don't forget about what happened to Steve Kangas. www.google.es/search?hl=en&q=who+killed+steve+kangas&btnG=SearchHere's some of the stuff he wrote. www.huppi.com/kangaroo/CIAtimeline.htmlwww.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-overclass.htmlwww.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-chichile.htmThis is what got him killed. He had a knack for explaining things. If I were Chomsky, I'd do exactly what he did. He's still one of the people I most admire in spite of his stand on 9/11.
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Post by gwiz on Jan 22, 2007 13:08:42 GMT -4
I think he also says Oswald killed Kennedy. That's what I've read but I haven't seen the exact quote. He was probably visited by some goons from the government long ago on that one. That's a red flag right there. He can't really believe that. So he can be highly critical of a lot of US government policies, but before he can sound off about this one event in particular, one which had been discussed at enormous lengths before Chomsky made a name for himself as a radical, the men in black come round and threaten him? "You can accuse us of being corrupt murderers as much as you like, but don't mention JFK or else" Ho ho, very plausible. You will go to enormous lengths to explain away anything that conflicts with your worldview. As I implied in my post above, Chomsky is a very bright guy and he is anti-government, but he is obviously not a sucker for every ridiculous conspiracy theory just because it is also anti-government.
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Post by david on Jan 22, 2007 13:20:50 GMT -4
You are a little vague here on whether you think Oswald acted alone and killed Kennedy. I'd like to hear what you think and why you think Chomsky agrees with the official version.
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Post by gwiz on Jan 22, 2007 13:28:42 GMT -4
You are a little vague here on whether you think Oswald acted alone and killed Kennedy. I'd like to hear what you think and why you think Chomsky agrees with the official version. I'm quite prepared to believe that Oswald was the only gunman on the day. Beyond that, I don't know. Edit to add: I've just tried googling for what Chomsky actually says about the JFK assassination. All I've found so far is that he's estimated how many people would have to be in on it and made the eminently reasonable point that so many people could never keep a secret. All the web pages devoted to this that I've found so far are conspiracy ones, so I don't know whether this is the truth.
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