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Re: It's the end of the world as we know it... aga
« Reply #15 on May 20, 2011, 4:22pm »

May 20, 2011, 3:52pm, twik wrote:
What was that skit in The Secret Policeman's Ball? After the umpteenth time the Apocalypse *doesn't* happen, the cult leader sends the members on their way with a cheery, "Well, we're bound to hit it right *some* day!"


That's quite funny. Colleagues were discussing a similar take on this at work today. One day the cultists might get it right and be able to declare they were right after all. Except, they won't be around to declare victory.
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« Reply #16 on May 21, 2011, 1:16am »

May 20, 2011, 7:23am, echnaton wrote:
My bet though is on 6 hours after local solar noon.

That was my other ponderance, whether YHWH would abide by our arbitrary mortal timekeeping standards and "beam up" entire time zones at once (what is the capactiy of the pattern buffer on His supplicant transporter, anyway?) or go by true meridian lines.


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But what I haven't figured out yet is what will happen to true believers that are on an airplane leaving Hawaii Saturday for Asia. That could leave some of them behind with the skeptics

I had exactly the same thought yesterday, perhaps subconsciously prompted by Carlin's bit about kids trying to stump the priest by surrounding a fairly straightforward sin with the most outrageous circumstances.
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« Reply #17 on May 21, 2011, 1:55am »
I'm sure Our Lord will take that into account.
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Re: It's the end of the world as we know it... aga
« Reply #18 on May 21, 2011, 2:40am »

May 20, 2011, 11:45am, echnaton wrote:
Raptureready.com agrees with you and has all sorts of biblical reasoning to say why Brother Camping is wrong.

But that's just it... they quote several Biblical passages essentially saying that Camping can't know, but they can't claim that he is wrong.

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It hasn't happened yet and it will probably not happen on May 21...

...and when this date does come and go - when nothing biblically relevant happens...

Emphasis mine.

These statements smack of hypocracy. The author, Chris Mangan, claims to believe that the Rapture will happen, and that no mortal can know when it will happen... which, by definition, means no mortal can known when it won't happen, either. Mangan has no basis on which to calculate the probability of an event which has never occurred in human history, of which no human has control, and of which there will (apparently) be no advance warning. By declaring that the date in question will come and go uneventfully, he has ruled out not only that date, but every date between then and whenever this piece was authored.

Any believer who flatly sates that the rapture won't happen today unwittingly betrays their lack of faith that it will ever happen.
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Re: It's the end of the world as we know it... aga
« Reply #19 on May 21, 2011, 5:24am »

May 21, 2011, 2:40am, Data Cable wrote:

May 20, 2011, 11:45am, echnaton wrote:
Raptureready.com agrees with you and has all sorts of biblical reasoning to say why Brother Camping is wrong.

But that's just it... they quote several Biblical passages essentially saying that Camping can't know, but they can't claim that he is wrong.

From that site:
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It hasn't happened yet and it will probably not happen on May 21...

...and when this date does come and go - when nothing biblically relevant happens...

Emphasis mine.

These statements smack of hypocracy. The author, Chris Mangan, claims to believe that the Rapture will happen, and that no mortal can know when it will happen... which, by definition, means no mortal can known when it won't happen, either. Mangan has no basis on which to calculate the probability of an event which has never occurred in human history, of which no human has control, and of which there will (apparently) be no advance warning. By declaring that the date in question will come and go uneventfully, he has ruled out not only that date, but every date between then and whenever this piece was authored.

Any believer who flatly sates that the rapture won't happen today unwittingly betrays their lack of faith that it will ever happen.

I viewed it as a healthy scientific skepticism. You know, realizing that knowledge is probabilistic and held provisional. Not to be held with pure certainty. ;)
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« Reply #20 on May 21, 2011, 5:28am »
Has anyone here been taken yet? Enquiring minds want to know
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« Reply #21 on May 21, 2011, 6:08am »
Actually I am thinking about collecting some old clothes and arranging sets of them in public places to look like the former occupant was taken. We'll see how much spare time I have today.
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Re: It's the end of the world as we know it... aga
« Reply #22 on May 21, 2011, 7:01am »

May 21, 2011, 5:28am, echnaton wrote:
Has anyone here been taken yet? Enquiring minds want to know


I've got my invitation. I've been told to bring a bottle and a board game.
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Re: It's the end of the world as we know it... aga
« Reply #23 on May 21, 2011, 11:39am »

May 21, 2011, 5:28am, echnaton wrote:
Has anyone here been taken yet? Enquiring minds want to know

Apparently some footballer has vanished from view in the press, leaving behind just the initials CTB.
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« Reply #24 on May 21, 2011, 12:36pm »
I'm still here.
It's 18:35 and there is no chaos outside.

Maybe the rapture happened in September 1994 as per Camping's previous prediction.
If only a few thousand people disappeared world-wide, it might have gone by without people realising it.
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« Reply #25 on May 21, 2011, 1:40pm »

May 21, 2011, 12:36pm, Halcyon Dayz, FCD wrote:
I'm still here.
It's 18:35 and there is no chaos outside.

Maybe the rapture happened in September 1994 as per Camping's previous prediction.
If only a few thousand people disappeared world-wide, it might have gone by without people realising it.


It would say things about Camping, though, wouldn't it?

And I don't think denying this day as the day of the Rapture is the same as denying belief in the Rapture. Certainly it's possible that it could have happened between the time the piece was written and the time the Rapture was claimed for, but I really do think the answer lies in the false prophets referenced in the Bible. By definition, claiming to know something that Jesus said no one knows would make you a false prophet in Christianity, and it would therefore be a true believer's duty to disbelieve you.
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« Reply #26 on May 21, 2011, 3:10pm »
Well... it's gone 8 pm here. No chaos...
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« Reply #27 on May 21, 2011, 5:11pm »
Here is my favorite picture celebrating the rapture, so far.


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« Reply #28 on May 21, 2011, 5:45pm »
Here's a hilarious short brickfilm dealing with the rapture. (Warning: it has a naughty word in it, but is very good nonetheless.) The joke is great.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVAtQW6FSuE
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Re: It's the end of the world as we know it... aga
« Reply #29 on May 21, 2011, 7:25pm »
Does it actually say anywhere that people get Raptured naked?
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