Re: Sam Colby updated his site « Reply #3 on May 18, 2007, 8:54am »
I think you might be interested indeed, very...
No, actually, not at all. This is the guy who claimed to study the subject for forty years yet claimed such gems as:
- the LRV had pneumatic tires. He couldn't tell the difference between the 1G trainer and the flight LRV.
- pneumatic tires would burst in a vacuum. This shows how exceptionally unobservant he is. All large truck tires have a higher pressure differential than pneumatic LRV tires would have had on the Moon, and the Space Shuttle tires, which often spend more time in space than an Apollo mission, have about ten times the pressure differential.
- orbital period about a planetary body is proportional to that body's diameter. This will flunk you out of grade-school physics.
lionking, why would I be interested in anything new this person would say? He has repeatedly demonstrated he is absolutely and determinedly - laughably - ignorant of the subject.
Re: Sam Colby updated his site « Reply #7 on May 18, 2007, 10:29am »
the LRV had pneumatic tires. He couldn't tell the difference between the 1G trainer and the flight LRV.
When the difference was painfully made obvious to him, he went out and got some actual lunar surface photos and shrunk them down to the point where the wire mesh wasn't visible and posted that as evidence not only that the LRV had pneumatic tires but that the "pro-Apollo nutters" were lying. Of course when I simply referred people to a better scan of the same photo showing the mesh, he backpedalled briefly and then left the discussion.
Colby is wrong, and he knows he's wrong.
...the Space Shuttle tires, which often spend more time in space than an Apollo mission, have about ten times the pressure differential.
The space shuttle tires are inflated to around 300 psia. The difference of 14.7 psi between the launch site and orbit is only about 5 percent.
Airliner tires are inflated to around 150 psia depending on the airframe. They often cold soak for hours at at outside pressure of 5 psi or so, then within 20 minutes (average descent time from cruising altitude) slam into a runway at 130-170 knots under the 100-ton weight of the airframe. The normal operation of airliners is absolutely brutal on tires, which is why each one costs a thousand dollars or so.
But it's not a problem to engineer a pneumatic tire to operate in a vacuum. Colby is simply an idiot.
AAP was Skylab, not some operation out in the desert.
Microwave link was used so that no one could intercept the communication, had they used radio wave link, there was the possibility that someone might eavesdrop...
The only difference between microwave and radio is wavelength. Nothing about microwave transmission prevents eavesdropping.
Lots of other made-up stuff. The terrain clearly doesn't look anything like the lunar surface.
What Colby says is some sort of guard with a spy scope whose job would be to keep out intruders, is simply a surveyer with a common portable theodolyte.
The Flagstaff training -- which was not "top secret" as Colby claims, but rather extensively documented and depicted prominently in all the Apollo histories -- indeed required the astronauts to learn to describe surroundings in precise scientific terms from the confines of a mockup LM cabin. The LM mockup, of course, looks almost nothing like the real LM.
Molab was a design study that made it to prototype. That it was in any way used in some hypothetical fakery scenario is purely a Colby fantasy. Simply showing an unremarkable picture of a vehicle doesn't mean the story you've told about the picture is true.
No, if you took out the bushes from Arizona it still wouldn't look like the Moon any more than putting bushes on the Moon turns it into Arizona.
Colby's diagram indeed shows the comm links for the Flagstaff training exercises. Again, no secret. But he simply fantasizes that this setup was used instead for fakery. It follows Colby's overarching method of grabbing easily-obtained, well-published training photos and insisting that they depict instead the means NASA used to fake the landings. Why would they so comprehensively document their hoax?
The key point is Colby's ignorant and wrong insistence that the links in this diagram can't have been snooped. Even more dysfunctionally, Colby says that his unsubstantiated fantasy is proof that the people who actually pointed their antennas at the Moon and actually heard radio traffic coming down from it that matched what the rest of the world heard, are wrong. In short, he doesn't understand what proves what.
The standard insults we expect from Sam Colby. He's flabbergasted that NASA would be so stupid as to tell the world that it's impossible to fly in space because of the radiation, yet claim to have flown to the Moon. Of course he doesn't think to interpret that dissonance according to the possibility that he is the one who misunderstands. The materials to which he refers describe long-duration missions, for which the Apollo strategy won't work.
But remember, Sam Colby is the guy who didn't know which spacecraft was the command module, which the service module, and which the lunar module. He's the one who claimed the LM didn't have triangular windows.
2. John Young. A made-up quote. Colby still believes that Tuttle faked the moon pictures, even though Tuttle himself had to put up a web site himself explaining what he had meant and repudiating Colby's interpretation. I've provided the link to Colby many, many times at his request, but he simply ignores it.
3. Armstrong. Made-up quote.
4-7. Cinder lake pictures. Made-up quotes. The Cinder Lake operation was no secret. As you can tell, lots of people were involved in making it, and lots of pictures were taken of it during construction. It's in all the NASA history books.
Prior to Apollo 11 no one was sure what the best way was to train astronauts to land a spacecraft on the moon. So NASA's approach was to try everything. They tried the big gantry crane at Langley with a funky capsule slung under it. They tried flying TV cameras over miniature landscapes. They tried the LLRV.
At Cinder Lake the theory was that by digging actual craters in actual ground and flying over them in a light plane, the astronauts could fly several different approaches and practice recognizing the landmark craters in three dimensions from different three-dimensional angles. The plaster models weren't large enough to simulate the experience entirely.
The area around Tranquility Base was duplicated roughly, but at a much smaller scale. Colby has no explanation for the smaller scale, the trees, and the tire tracks. He's fully aware of all the features that clearly disqualify Cinder Lake as the location for filming fake lunar surface footage. He just chooses to ignore it.
5. Plaster model. Colby just asserts that this was somehow used for fakery. But the creation and use of plaster models as training aids was well documented.
6. Computer. Not state-of-the-art for the 1960s, as Colby asserts. It's a Burroughs 200 series, of the off-the-shelf type NASA used routinely for various purposes, but was designed in the mid-1950s and was considerably outdated in 1969. On my site you can see pictures of state-of-the-art computers from the mid to late 1960s.
7. Donkey cart. Funny but irrelevant.
8-10. Astronaut training in early mockup. The second picture contradicts Colby's description of the first. The third is not remarkable, except as Colby has maliciously tried to attach some nefarious meaning to it.
11. Shepard in 16mm frame. Colby seems to believe the camera requires an operator. I don't know where he's getting the Muslim woman interpretation.
12. LRV loading. False comparison. There is no rule that says the deployment equipment must also function as the loading equipment. There is no rule saying it can't be hard to install something that's intended to be easy to deploy. When Boeing puts the door on an airliner it takes a gantry crane and a lifting fixture and a half-hour's work. Yet a 55 kg flight attendant can open it easily. And the LRV did not "assemble itself" as he claims.
13. Video frame. No evidence that NASA purports this image -- "Copyright NASASCAM" -- to be of an LM actually landing on the Moon. Colby does this all the time: he simply invents or fabricates photographic evidence and attributes it to NASA.
I think you might be interested indeed, very...
No, I'm disgusted as usual. Sam Colby's site was the first I came across when I started paying close attention to these moon hoax conspiracy theories. I thought that if the sites were as rabidly hateful and stupid as his, this would be an easy task.
Sam Colby simply makes things up. And he's an idiot. And if you don't believe his egregiously made-up crap, he writes you off as a "brain-damaged" "pro-Apollo nutter." I've caught him in so many blatant lies that I simply find it best not to pay any attention to him anymore. He doesn't care at all for what's true. He simply wants to rile up good people.
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Re: Sam Colby updated his site « Reply #10 on May 18, 2007, 6:23pm »
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[lionking, why would I be interested in anything new this person would say? He has repeatedly demonstrated he is absolutely and determinedly - laughably - ignorant of the subject.
You're really, really, REALLY hard up for a laugh?
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Re: Sam Colby updated his site « Reply #12 on May 19, 2007, 6:03am »
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Lionking, you don't take him seriously, do you?
I don't care anymore. My attitude is that it is not important for me anymore like it some time ago.
However, I sent him this site and your reply, here is what he said:
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They are talking BS as usual, and the guy who says a narrow beam microwave link can be intercepted is talkin through his back passage.
I happen to work in radio transmission so I know what I'm talking about.
Yes a microwave signal can be intercepted if transmitted from an ordinary aerial, however when a dish aerial is used at both ends, the microwave beam is focused like a narrow beam of light.
If you've seen the NASA video you will clearly hear the commentators say "to the Moon". How do the PAN's explain the NASA commentator saying 280,000 miles and yet they claim 250,000 miles?
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Re: Sam Colby updated his site « Reply #13 on May 19, 2007, 6:29am »
Ask him how wide the beam gets when a 1 metre diameter transmitting dish is 400000 km away, frequency 2 GHz. If he can't answer, he is lying about having communications expertise.
Also ask him where in the film the "280000 miles" bit comes, as I don't really want to watch the whole thing.
Multiple exclamation marks are a sure sign of a diseased mind - Terry Pratchett ...the ascent module ... took off like a rocket - Moon Man
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Re: Sam Colby updated his site « Reply #14 on May 19, 2007, 6:42am »
o.k, I sent him this question. I am waiting for his reply. once he posts his reply, I'll post it back. I am ready to send him your comments since he doesn't agree to reply to you directly, as I heard previously.
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