"Lurkers and Viewers" Poll - new members please!

Personally, I am an Atheist technophile, Born in 1972 After the Landings but brought up with The Probes and Beautiful Pictures they where bringing back, An Uncle that was a keen SW Radio Ham, and had been part of several Radio Astronomy experiments,

I also Inherited a 70mm Scope from another Uncle (Mum had a Lot of Sib's) when I was 8, as I already had an healthy obsession with Astronomy, Electronics and Rockets.

My Teachers knowing my interest even gave me a day off school to watch the First Shuttle Launch,

My background professionally is a mix of Chemistry, Electronics and Computers, in either Analysis or Prototyping, but mostly any problem solving scenario.

Do I believe Man Landed on the Moon, Yes, it is not a question of belief it is an immutable fact, Aside from recorded telemetry evidence and Tracking Evidence, there is Nearly 400kg of Physical evidence to contend with.

There is also the evidence through technology and experience that could have only been gleaned through moon shots being used in Later Projects.

I find conspiracy Theorists mind boggling, I can almost understand the Denial type (it can't of happened as it is was too horrible) as the looking for the reason can be part of the process of acceptance, then there is the corrupt government types (just good old healthy polito paranoia, I personally don't suffer from it, as I am the one doing the watching), and then there is the religious zealotry/bigotry types (ID/Creationist/NZO/Holocaust denial etc) these have an issue with published facts that question core parts of their soul(whatever)

However, I cannot even understand why anyone would even need, want, to blindly ignore evidence of one of mankinds Greatest Achievements, Do the Same people deny the existence of Staged Radiation Thermonuclear Weaponry, because Lets have a look at the computers that worked them out... just a squidgy mass of neurons thats all, I find the constant look at this new evidence (what new evidence.) arguing about a light source with people not understanding Divergence, Reflection refraction or diffraction, I would also suggest the HBs go out and apply there photo-analysis techniques to Escher or most Optical illusions. these illusions work due to the way the brain interprets 2D images into 3D representations.

Questions about mass, Radiation, Thrust Vectors, Computational Accuracy, Should be backed by even cursory research with Method not just a conclusion, I Take it that most of these super smart people that can see the Hoax did receive basic Science Education so would have been taught the Scientific method, you do not need to be a Professional Scientist or even know PE = mgh, to apply the scientific method, you probably use it when cooking or working out why the Light bulb doesn't work when you flick a switch (Obviously some one stole the working bulb and replaced it with an almost identical but fake bulb)

I Think it is the Fact that I find the HBs for the moon shots an affront to the ability and ingenuity of the human mind, reminiscent of witch-hunters, Luddites (or saboteurs if you like)and one giant leap backwards for mankind,

OK You got me, I am a zealot for the Technical Progression of mankind and the boundaries beyond, but just think what these pond life are causing, introduction into education*** of anti evolution / gravity / historical / Scientific knowledge into the next generation, as they have a view and therefore it MUST be represented, and then their is the next problem, whoever does go to the moon next has to spend an awful lot more money, polling interviewing and finding out every type of minuscule proof requirement that will placate these troglodytes, and then what will they ask for, as it is OBVIOUS that it is just a CGI representation, or that they still faked using the old physics model and Stage props from the Fake Apollo Landings, This proves nothing, Buy my book and DVD for the EXCLUSIVE Evidence, Come to my seminars, join us now and find the truth, you know the general pattern.

Anyway that probably might drop a little hint as to which side of the fence I occupy, (I have a good background knowledge in a lot of aspects of science enough to help solve whatever it is I work on, but I am an expert in none, my education level is A-level Standard in the UK, Maths Chemistry Physics and Biology, although I no longer work in the Science field I now do Computer problem solving. So I am a Layman, but by application of the Scientific method I can still attain enough info, details and proof of evidence through published Peer reviewed results Papers and books to confirm the Fact, that Mankind Successfully Landed on the moon, and together with Thermonuclear Fusion, Theory of Gravity, Electromagnetism,
Discovery of DNAs Structure and Function, represent some of the Greatest Scientific discoveries/achievements and denouncing them blindly without weight, or even a detectable trace of evidence is not a sign of an Open mind it is an suppression of knowledge and degradation of Humankind achievments that we can all take part in (and I don't mean that in a corny sickly way, if you thought that you definitely don't want to argue over a pint with me)

anyway talking of Pints, it is 1715 time for me to go for a quick Pint or six

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*** I am all for the ideas that may be put forward as alternatives, for example alternative methods of Life Origins and Species divergence, I will even give the star seed theory a reasonable weighting for the Origin of life for example but still am a firm believer in Evolutionary process, Likewise Exploration and questioning of Gravity is a must for wannabe physicist and is one of the next big leaps, it is the Evolution is incorrect Religious motion (I am an extremest Fundamentalist Atheist ), Gravity is wrong the earth is flat, Mankind is too dumb it all came from aliens/was faked type mentality alternatives that I strongly object to.

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I think you guys spend way too much time fighing with mental patients.

Several times? Not during a single mission, I hope! The norm was to fly about an orbit and a half, then TLI out of Earth orbit to the Moon.

Several times? Not during a single mission, I hope! The norm was to fly about an orbit and a half, then TLI out of Earth orbit to the Moon.

Perhaps once at launch, then again during the parking orbit? Although for 11, launch would have been about 2:30pm in Cameroon. Still a Saturn V would probably be easy to see. But one orbit later would have been about 4pm. Must have been at launch.

Welcome aboard chaps (ses)!

Tails high, Brothers!


(10 points for the origin of that...?)

*steps from behind a neutrino and advises that this post is subject to the basic kitten principle*

As you can tell from my sign up date, I am a newb to the forum, and only really got involved once I found a couple of sentient beings had been infiltrated, I thought the whole Moon hoax thing was just a purely US affair till the other day,

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it was only when I realised talking to a mate at the pub (A serious tech head) that the conspiracy had spread , more through peer fear than anything else,His manager believes it (Moon Landing) is suspect therefore any subordinate that that accepts the fact as gospel/read/truth is to have their abilities reviewed, that is what I found Really Really sphincter quaking, when talking to his manager, I found that he HAS to accept it, as an expressed statistical population count agrees with it, and they are not allowed to discriminate against such a belief (I will stick to PC BS on other forums) after much convo it transpires that any employee with a closed mind to popular beliefs in science cannot progress, whatever there ability to produce electronic circuitry for the populous (as they have by exclusion of their principals removed that portion... must just be a management thing) granted the manager was slightly worse for exposure to ethanol than I was, and I did lead his questions, but he said that is what it essentially boils down to,

His essential boil, set off mine, Like cliches I avoid conspiracy theories like the plague. However when it stands in the way of progress I am a militant , I will make the most ardent Cookie Little seem like a fart in a hurricane, although not blessed with anything further than an enquiring mind and a thirst for knowledge, I will quite happily turn against the Trogs, Naysayers and Luddites with a frenzied urge for viscera and answers.

I will not however given the nature of this board attack slag bollock or smurf out of hand, I always prefer a rational argument opposed to a heated one, and if I do step out of line please tell me, the responses that are posted here are done with a patience that would make the natural erosion of a lunar mountain seem quick. although I am not naturally bad tempered, I feel that I could pick a card randomly from the pack, show it to the HB here and ask them what card I just showed them, and they would then ask what colour is the back of the card. I am afraid I might not be able to control myself on occasion, which would be a shame and would be counter-productive, given the informative and relevant advice given freely by many here.

what I may do however is play devils advocate, given my profile that may seem impossible, however I will and do question everything (even if discarded as being so much toe jam very quickly). I may even purposefully misquote and mislead posters to draw them past the point of no return (given what I have seen here and 20 other debunk/CT sites that wouldn't be difficult),(tis is what the perpetrators of the CTs do after all), I will however try and stay true to fact and will adjust in anyplace that has been proven lacking or in direct contradiction (unless I am trying to lead a poster) ( I am human I can adapt)

I am not here to be a good guy, I have never disillusioned myself to that (although the voices in my head say otherwise)) I will however where I can correct misconception or offer a manner of experimental/modeled proof

If any part of this is non acceptable to either norms or HBs please PM me and will moderate accordingly *Flashes kitty grin*

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