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Post by kickitharder on Jul 30, 2009 15:51:17 GMT -4
Hi All
Can you help me compile a list of top 10 items of evidence that provides compelling proof that NASA successfully landed man on the moon?
Also, to help redress the balance, could the resident HBs who visit this forum compile a list of their top 10 items of evidence that provides compelling proof that it was all a hoax? (It would then be fun to debunk them!).
A few of my friends are becoming HBs and keep bugging me.
Here a few items to get you started. It would be great to get an ultmate list!
MOONLANDINGS DID HAPPEN:
1) Moon rocks
2) Retro-reflectors left behind by the Apollo missions
3) The Russians did not once cry "Hoax" after Apollo 11
4) If you are going to carry an intricate hoax, involving thousands of people, why would you do it a further 5 times?
5) The Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter probe has imaged 5 (so far) of the 6 Apollo moonlanding sites.
6) ...
Please give me some more great examples!
For the HBs, I'll get you started:
IT WAS ALL A HOAX:
1) The terrifying [low] levels of radiation contained within the Van Allen Belts would have fried the astronauts
2) Being an expert with a superior knowledge in photography, the NASA moonlanding photographs contain "anomalies" which shows that the landings were staged in a studio, e.g.
a) There are no stars in the photos, if you don't take account that stars are too faint to be recorded on film due to the short exposure times used on the camera
b) The shadows are not parallel meaning there must have been more than one light source, if you park to one side the idea that double/multiple shadows would be seen.
c) As Aldrin was exiting the Lunar Module in the shade he was cearly lit up meaning there must have a fill in light (if you please don't notice that the lunar soil is a lot brighter than seen in other pictures meaning a longer exposure was used)
3) The flag was billowing in a breeze which means there was an atmosphere present i.e. in a studio, which are gusty places
4) ...
Come on HBs - give us your very best 10 pieces of evidence!
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Post by gwiz on Jul 30, 2009 15:56:54 GMT -4
There's the testimony of the Australian comms engineers who tracked Apollo, and on at least one occasion had a conversation with a crew - they can't see any way to fake what they observed.
There's also all the astronomers who tracked the missions, visual and radio, amateur and professional.
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Post by blackstar on Jul 30, 2009 16:22:02 GMT -4
The laser reflectors the Apollo missions left behind. The moon rock that is older than any rock to be found on Earth. The moonbase they built to observe the aliens. Wait, pretend you didn't read that last one...  |
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Post by Ian Pearse on Jul 30, 2009 16:32:13 GMT -4
Rock that is completely free of water, and shows signs of flowing and cooling in 1/6th G.
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Post by vq on Jul 30, 2009 19:54:33 GMT -4
Images of the descent modules taken by the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter.
Pieces of the Surveyor 3 probe brought back with Apollo 12.
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Post by homobibiens on Jul 30, 2009 20:41:52 GMT -4
Hi kickitharder, Can you help me compile a list of top 10 items of evidence that provides compelling proof that NASA successfully landed man on the moon? I'll give it a shot. Also, to help redress the balance, could the resident HBs who visit this forum compile a list of their top 10 items of evidence that provides compelling proof that it was all a hoax? (It would then be fun to debunk them!). Can't help on this part. A few of my friends are becoming HBs and keep bugging me. A number of people have said things like that at various times, and I find it surprising. I don't know anyone who has ever reacted to moon landing hoax theories with anything other than complete astonishment that anyone would actually believe such a thing. I must be hanging out in the right places. Here a few items to get you started. It would be great to get an ultmate list! MOONLANDINGS DID HAPPEN: 1) Moon rocks 2) Retro-reflectors left behind by the Apollo missions 3) The Russians did not once cry "Hoax" after Apollo 11 4) If you are going to carry an intricate hoax, involving thousands of people, why would you do it a further 5 times? 5) The Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter probe has imaged 5 (so far) of the 6 Apollo moonlanding sites. 6) ... Please give me some more great examples! I suppose these things are to some extent a matter of taste, but I much prefer to the physical evidence to items like 4). I just don't find these "I would have done it this way" arguments very compelling. The other side uses them quite a bit, but what do they prove? People do things all the time for reasons I can't perceive, the fact that I don't understand the reason behind something, doesn't mean the action was fraudulent. Why didn't they test this component more, why didn't they do the mission this way instead of that way, I would have done it another way, that proves it was hoaxed. It doesn't follow. But I would like the pro-Apollo-reality side to avoid this type of argument as well. If you're really determined to believe it was all a hoax, I think only a modest amount of creativity to come up with a reason why it had to be done six times instead of one. To me, it isn't my inability to think of a reason to fake it six times that is persuasive, it is the total lack of any physical evidence or eyewitness testimony that it was hoaxed even once that is persuasive. Just my $0.02. Other possible items for the list - the absence of any whistleblower at all, out of the thousands of people involved, even forty years after the first landing. Also, the radio tracking by people around the world. Regarding the imaging of the landing sites - is that new? Where can I find the images? For the HBs, I'll get you started: IT WAS ALL A HOAX: 1) The terrifying [low] levels of radiation contained within the Van Allen Belts would have fried the astronauts 2) Being an expert with a superior knowledge in photography, the NASA moonlanding photographs contain "anomalies" which shows that the landings were staged in a studio, e.g. OK, I said I wouldn't, and I won't. But I find anomaly-based arguments about as weak as I-would-have-done-it-this-way arguments. I have taken pictures in my back garden that contain anomalies I can't explain - it doesn't mean the pictures were faked. Of course, if you're on that side of the argument, things like this are going to be the best you can come up with . . . |
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Post by laurel on Jul 30, 2009 21:06:38 GMT -4
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Post by homobibiens on Jul 30, 2009 21:16:18 GMT -4
Thank you! The landers themselves don't look like much in the photos, but the shadows are actually fairly revealing. It's too bad the Apollo 16 lander is right next to a crater, but even there, it is possible to see a bit of the shadow on the other side. |
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jul 31, 2009 3:17:28 GMT -4
I'd include the radio tracking at #2, and add in the footage of them tossing the mylar experiment wrappings about in 1/6 g and vaccum into the list too. More footage would include the Armstong jump at the end of the Apollo 11 EVA. The data returned by the ESEP and ALSEP packages would have to be in there somewhere as well. From the probe data, the comparison of the Kaguya (Selene) probe 3D images and the Apollo Photos is pretty convincing too.
There's another 5 for you
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Post by seemoe on Jul 31, 2009 5:03:31 GMT -4
project mercury, gemini and apollo 1 to 10. all of these is what paved the way for man to land on the moon. the moon landing didnt start and end with apollo 11. it took 10 years of dedication. the test pilots, scientists, engineers etc. why would they spend all the time, money, resources just to fake it in 1969. russias plans of a moon landing failed with the death of several astronauts and and rocket failures. they cancelled their moon landing project in 69. the americans were much further ahead. they had already sent men around the moon (apollo 8 and 10) before then.
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Post by kickitharder on Jul 31, 2009 17:14:24 GMT -4
Great suggestions here. Please keep them coming
It's a shame that not one HB can come up with one item on their list!
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Post by Apollo Gnomon on Jul 31, 2009 17:29:37 GMT -4
How about a top-ten list of proof that it was Americans who landed, and not someone else: 10 - litter all over the landing sites 9 - They took golf clubs to the moon 8 - porno on teh cuff lists 7 - They took a wheelbarrow 6 - When the wheelbarrow was found inefficient they took a pickup truck 5 - They fixed the truck with duct tape 4 - Ashtrays in the control room 3 - Over 90% of the launched weight was disposable equipment 2 - The "lander" is basically an aluminum RV camper 1 - My favorite Apollo picture: www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/moon/timeline/images/t_1972.jpgHarrison Schmitt with an antenna growing out of his head, proving that they were just tourists! (sorry for the bad pic, it's the first one I could find in this short gap between fending off the clients and getting ready for another weekend playing Army.) |
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Post by BertL on Jul 31, 2009 17:41:52 GMT -4
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Post by homobibiens on Jul 31, 2009 19:12:41 GMT -4
8 - porno on teh cuff lists  |
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Post by scooter on Jul 31, 2009 19:50:20 GMT -4
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