Post by wadefrazier3 on Sept 12, 2009 11:28:48 GMT -4
Hi:
This issue of Jarrah White accusing Jay of lying about his contact with Brian O'Leary is something that I hope to put to rest with this post.
As is obvious from a joint interview that Brian and I did earlier this year,
projectcamelot.org/wade_frazier.html
his most recent book,
www.brianoleary.info/Synopsis.html
and an as-of-yet unpublished paper that we jointly wrote and submitted to the DOE, I am one of Brian's close personal colleagues. Our relationship began in 1991. In 2001, I wrapped up a decade of sporadically looking at the Apollo moon landing evidence, capped with my interactions with Jay, which led to our joint discovery of the footage of Armstrong leaping onto the LM:
www.ahealedplanet.net/cover-up.htm#paydirt
Brian was on that FOX TV show in early 2001, expressing his doubts about the Apollo landings, and I contacted Brian about that Armstrong footage in July of 2001. In August 2001, Brian and I met in Sacramento, and he expressed to me how impressive that footage of Armstrong leaping was to him. He also talked about how that FOX film crew "ambushed" him and misrepresented his views, taking a ten-second snippet from a two-hour interview, which was not supposed to be about the moon landings in the first place.
www.ahealedplanet.net/cover-up.htm#governor
www.ahealedplanet.net/paths.htm#sac
After our California adventure, I put Brian in contact with Jay, so Brian could find out more if he wanted, but the more important part of their exchange, for me, was so Brian could make a statement in the best forum I knew of, about his Apollo views. While I was not a party to the exchanges that Brian and Jay had subsequent to my introducing them, I have no doubt that what Jay reported here:
www.clavius.org/oleary.html
is a faithful record of their exchange.
Brian has been used as a football by many groups over the years, as they try to score political points for their efforts, and he is more than tired about it. About the moon landings, Brian today still says that he did not go to the moon himself, so he cannot be certain about the moon landings, but his doubt about the moon landings is a small one. He once helped get Buzz Aldrin a job and shared an office with him, and had relationships with a number of the astronauts that were damaged by this moon hoax brouhaha (they were already strained due to his leaving the orthodox fold, but the moon landings issue put the nails in quite a few professional coffins). Brian has good reason to be skeptical of NASA and its space activities (we have had far too much exposure to the "black ops" part of the system, including space activities), but his skepticism about the moon landings is tiny, and he has far more important things to do with his time these days than get re-embroiled in the moon hoax controversy.
I have looked at the moon landing evidence a lot more than Brian has, and while I am an obvious amateur, I have never seen any of the moon hoax evidence that stood up to scrutiny. After I satisfied myself that the moon hoax evidence did not hold up, while also finding Armstrong's leap, I largely stopped looking at the moon hoax evidence in 2001. However, even though I largely stopped interacting with the public in 2002, I have been approached with some regularity with moon hoax evidence, or stumble upon somebody else joining the fray, and I have always sent them to this forum, as I did with John Lear not long ago:
apollohoax.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=theories&action=display&thread=2112
None of them have fared too well with their hoax evidence yet.
In summary, I have no doubt that Jay contacted Brian about the moon landings, and that he faithfully presented their exchange on his site. I also have no doubt that the insanely busy Brian replied to Jarrah that he never heard of Jay. I would be hard pressed to recall a couple of emails several years ago from somebody I never met, on a subject that had little interest for me. Brian does not want to become embroiled in the moon hoax controversy anymore, and I don't blame him.
Jay is the 800-pound gorilla of the moon hoax evidence and controversy. While I do not agree with everything he says, I have not seen a more gracious, informed and straight-shooting player in this milieu.
I find it appalling that Jarrah has accused Jay of lying about his exchanges with Brian, when far more innocent scenarios could easily explain why Brian responded to Jarrah as he did.
I hope this puts to rest the idea that Jay fabricated or misrepresented his exchanges with Brian.
Wade
This issue of Jarrah White accusing Jay of lying about his contact with Brian O'Leary is something that I hope to put to rest with this post.
As is obvious from a joint interview that Brian and I did earlier this year,
projectcamelot.org/wade_frazier.html
his most recent book,
www.brianoleary.info/Synopsis.html
and an as-of-yet unpublished paper that we jointly wrote and submitted to the DOE, I am one of Brian's close personal colleagues. Our relationship began in 1991. In 2001, I wrapped up a decade of sporadically looking at the Apollo moon landing evidence, capped with my interactions with Jay, which led to our joint discovery of the footage of Armstrong leaping onto the LM:
www.ahealedplanet.net/cover-up.htm#paydirt
Brian was on that FOX TV show in early 2001, expressing his doubts about the Apollo landings, and I contacted Brian about that Armstrong footage in July of 2001. In August 2001, Brian and I met in Sacramento, and he expressed to me how impressive that footage of Armstrong leaping was to him. He also talked about how that FOX film crew "ambushed" him and misrepresented his views, taking a ten-second snippet from a two-hour interview, which was not supposed to be about the moon landings in the first place.
www.ahealedplanet.net/cover-up.htm#governor
www.ahealedplanet.net/paths.htm#sac
After our California adventure, I put Brian in contact with Jay, so Brian could find out more if he wanted, but the more important part of their exchange, for me, was so Brian could make a statement in the best forum I knew of, about his Apollo views. While I was not a party to the exchanges that Brian and Jay had subsequent to my introducing them, I have no doubt that what Jay reported here:
www.clavius.org/oleary.html
is a faithful record of their exchange.
Brian has been used as a football by many groups over the years, as they try to score political points for their efforts, and he is more than tired about it. About the moon landings, Brian today still says that he did not go to the moon himself, so he cannot be certain about the moon landings, but his doubt about the moon landings is a small one. He once helped get Buzz Aldrin a job and shared an office with him, and had relationships with a number of the astronauts that were damaged by this moon hoax brouhaha (they were already strained due to his leaving the orthodox fold, but the moon landings issue put the nails in quite a few professional coffins). Brian has good reason to be skeptical of NASA and its space activities (we have had far too much exposure to the "black ops" part of the system, including space activities), but his skepticism about the moon landings is tiny, and he has far more important things to do with his time these days than get re-embroiled in the moon hoax controversy.
I have looked at the moon landing evidence a lot more than Brian has, and while I am an obvious amateur, I have never seen any of the moon hoax evidence that stood up to scrutiny. After I satisfied myself that the moon hoax evidence did not hold up, while also finding Armstrong's leap, I largely stopped looking at the moon hoax evidence in 2001. However, even though I largely stopped interacting with the public in 2002, I have been approached with some regularity with moon hoax evidence, or stumble upon somebody else joining the fray, and I have always sent them to this forum, as I did with John Lear not long ago:
apollohoax.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=theories&action=display&thread=2112
None of them have fared too well with their hoax evidence yet.
In summary, I have no doubt that Jay contacted Brian about the moon landings, and that he faithfully presented their exchange on his site. I also have no doubt that the insanely busy Brian replied to Jarrah that he never heard of Jay. I would be hard pressed to recall a couple of emails several years ago from somebody I never met, on a subject that had little interest for me. Brian does not want to become embroiled in the moon hoax controversy anymore, and I don't blame him.
Jay is the 800-pound gorilla of the moon hoax evidence and controversy. While I do not agree with everything he says, I have not seen a more gracious, informed and straight-shooting player in this milieu.
I find it appalling that Jarrah has accused Jay of lying about his exchanges with Brian, when far more innocent scenarios could easily explain why Brian responded to Jarrah as he did.
I hope this puts to rest the idea that Jay fabricated or misrepresented his exchanges with Brian.
Wade
