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Re: Message for Jarrah White, the hoax theory is d
« Reply #165 on Oct 26, 2011, 2:23pm »

Oct 26, 2011, 2:08pm, photobuster919 wrote:

I thought that we decided not to talk about Jarrah anymore???

We did, but it might be construed as rude or evasive not to answer nightfever's post.

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Re: Message for Jarrah White, the hoax theory is d
« Reply #166 on Oct 26, 2011, 2:40pm »

Oct 26, 2011, 2:23pm, JayUtah wrote:

Oct 26, 2011, 2:08pm, photobuster919 wrote:

I thought that we decided not to talk about Jarrah anymore???

We did, but it might be construed as rude or evasive not to answer nightfever's post.

I suppose.

It might be an idea if this thread becomes a sticky so that these conversations won't be recycled and reiterated.

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Re: Message for Jarrah White, the hoax theory is d
« Reply #167 on Oct 28, 2011, 12:10am »

One last note: Here's an interview with Jarrah as part of some project
http://100interviews.com/post/8084813159/36

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Re: Message for Jarrah White, the hoax theory is d
« Reply #168 on Oct 28, 2011, 4:07am »

And there are interviews with people with real qualifications involved with Apollo, why ignore them? That read like a someone being allowed to big themselves up, the interviewer is not really doing anything, it reads like a Sunday newspaper supplement in a tabloid.

Look at this yourself, ignore what JW claims and learn about the topics your self. It is not hard. You can ignore here or other places like this, the science stack up whatever forum you read. That is the problem, the evidence is there, you choose to ignore it, or not.

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« Reply #169 on Oct 28, 2011, 4:36am »

In that interview Jarrah claims his dedication is to the truth. His actions when confronted with his own errors and misunderstandings absolutely do not support that assertion. Not even slightly.

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« Reply #170 on Oct 28, 2011, 4:45am »

The interviewer does not even tackle that issue with JW, she does not appear to research the subject or the person being interviewed. It sound like a project for a course. Get a serious journo on the case and JW would back out. Perhaps a blessing no serious journo has him on the radar, insignificant.

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Re: Message for Jarrah White, the hoax theory is d
« Reply #171 on Oct 28, 2011, 5:54am »

Mmmm... one phrase springs to mind when reading this reignited thread.

"Jay Windley takes Jarrah to task at the IMDb."

That thread really should be the line drawn under Jarrah. He demonstrated his worth, and it wasn't very much when confronted with someone who knew what they were talking about. Jarrah has read a few fanciful papers on radiation, a few websites and a few 'children's' books on space, and he considers himself an expert. I asked him to list secondary particles dangerous to man. He included neutrinos in that that list. Says it all really. He has not got a clue, and never will have one.

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Re: Message for Jarrah White, the hoax theory is d
« Reply #172 on Oct 31, 2011, 5:16am »

Well, I suppose if you were close enough to a supernova then you might actually be at risk from the burst of neutrinos. That is, if you weren't already at risk from everything else...

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Re: Message for Jarrah White, the hoax theory is d
« Reply #173 on Nov 29, 2011, 11:11pm »

This seems mostly wrong because the Jarrah White You Tube films cannot be all wrong. He is very good with making movies.

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Re: Message for Jarrah White, the hoax theory is d
« Reply #174 on Nov 29, 2011, 11:16pm »

Nov 29, 2011, 11:11pm, newyorkmary wrote:

Jarrah White You Tube films cannot be all wrong.

Sure they can.

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He is very good with making movies.

Even if I agreed with you that he is good at making movies (I don't), being good at making movies doesn't make him an expert on the subject of Apollo. It doesn't mean everything he says in his movies is true.

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Re: Message for Jarrah White, the hoax theory is d
« Reply #175 on Nov 29, 2011, 11:54pm »

Nov 29, 2011, 11:16pm, LunarOrbit wrote:

Nov 29, 2011, 11:11pm, newyorkmary wrote:

Jarrah White You Tube films cannot be all wrong.

Sure they can.

Yeah, seriously. If you're obviously wrong about one aspect of a subject, and then another, and then another, doesn't it make more sense to assume you're wrong about all of them?

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Re: Message for Jarrah White, the hoax theory is d
« Reply #176 on Nov 30, 2011, 1:24am »

Nov 29, 2011, 11:11pm, newyorkmary wrote:

This seems mostly wrong because the Jarrah White You Tube films cannot be all wrong.

Why not?

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Re: Message for Jarrah White, the hoax theory is d
« Reply #177 on Nov 30, 2011, 1:36am »

If his videos are based on a false premise, like "The moon landings were faked", then yes, they can all be wrong.

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Re: Message for Jarrah White, the hoax theory is d
« Reply #178 on Jan 7, 2012, 1:17am »

Jul 28, 2011, 5:12pm, JayUtah wrote:

Thanks for coming to my defense, Photobuster. People ask me why I don't more aggressively rebut Jarrah White, and I think you've come the closest to understanding why: he's simply not that relevant, and he's too consumed by personal vendettas to make much sense.

Yes, he maybe "YouTube-famous," but in the real world he simply doesn't appear on the radar. To anyone with real expertise, Jarrah is a joke. He patently doesn't know what he's talking about, and he steadfastly refuses to engage the world's experts in open debate. I think the literary term is "howling from the shadows."

The world indeed has a right to know by what expertise Jarrah makes his claims. He delves into subjects that are quite clearly the domain of long-studied expertise, but he doesn't tell how he acquired the expertise necessary to sustain his conclusions. This is intolerable when the conclusions he draws differ so dramatically from the rest of the world's.

And you're quite right that no one is going to sit through an 8-hour presentation that is little more than a recitation of one person's ignorance on the subject. Jarrah makes videos because he likes making videos, not because there's any scientifically redeeming value to them. He was invited to present his findings to experts, but he ignored it. It would have taken him far less effort to do that than to produce one of his epics.

Debates on topics like this tend to be cyclical on a 10- or 20-year period. Often the same conspiracy theorists get distracted by newly fertile ground, such as 9/11 or Barack Obama's birthplace. Then you have to wait for a new crop of younger, more gullible people to rise up and take their place. A new Apollo hoax theorist comes around about every 10 years. But I'd say that right now, you're right: the Apollo hoax theory is in a lull.

I had quite a lot of correspondence in 2009 for the anniversary of Apollo 11, then relatively little. Looking around the web, I gather that the Mythbusters episode is probably the precipitating event for the current lull.

As for raising money to send Jarrah to the Moon, I can't see how that's anything but absurd.

"There are roughly 300 Million people in the US alone. If every single last one of them gave me one dollar by tomorrow, I would have enough to buy three tickets." - Jarrah White.

My bets are that this whole thing is just a joke. But I could be wrong. A guy can dream, right? I'd love to go to the moon too.

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Re: Message for Jarrah White, the hoax theory is d
« Reply #179 on Jan 7, 2012, 4:44am »

I think a minuscule percentage of the US population has even heard of Jarrah White, much less has any interest in sending him to the Moon. Why should they want to? What value are they getting for their buck?

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