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« Thread Started on Nov 5, 2011, 7:35pm » | |
Hoax believers have taken the urban legend that the LM mock-up in the London Science Museum was built at Pinewood Studios for "Diamonds Are Forever" to a new level. They are keeping the bit about it being made at Pinewood, but they are now claiming that it was built for Stanley Kubrick's Apollo "film." Since the LM in the Kensington museum is obviously not functional, it "proves" that the landings were fake. I investigated this urban legend by contacting the museum. Here is their reply:
"Thank you for your email dated 26th October 2011 with regards to the possibility that the Science Museum’s model Apollo 11 Lunar Lander is (or was) a prop from a film – possibly Diamonds Are Forever or Apollo 13. The object is inventoried within the Museum’s collections as follows:
Replica Apollo 11 lunar excursion module (Inventory number 1977-435)
This object is currently on display within the Museum’s Exploring Space Gallery; should you wish to view it please visit the Museum during normal opening hours – 10am to 6pm, last entry 5.15pm, Monday to Sunday except 24th to 26th December. I have reviewed the Museum’s technical file linked to this, T/1977-435, and there is no mention of this object being used (or potentially used) in any filming production prior to entering the Museum’s care.
The object formerly entered the Museum’s care in 1977. In fact original correspondence (held on nominal file 6954) with the original model makers, Westbury Design and Optical Ltd, indicates that this object was built specifically at the request of the Museum and for display purposes only. Further more the original enquiry into obtaining a quote from the above model making company was made by the Museum in 1975. Diamonds Are Forever was released in 1971 and Apollo 13 in 1995. As you can see the Museum’s model post-dates these films by several years.
Museum paperwork also contains original drawings supplied by NASA and Grumman Aerospace (the company who built the original Apollo Lunar Landers). With further correspondence suggesting the Museum liaised with these institutions to supply Westbury Design and Optical Ltd the most detailed and authentic plans as possible. I trust this information is of some use to you and I wish you all the best with your research.
Rory Cook
Corporate Information and Enquiries Officer
Science Museum"
Please be sure to spread this information as widely as possible!
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« Reply #1 on Nov 5, 2011, 7:40pm » | |
What would they say about the real Apollo capsule which is on display in the science museum in Los Angeles? (Yes, I got a picture!)
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« Reply #2 on Nov 6, 2011, 5:55am » | |
Good to see some research instead of just accepting things as you are told, djw001 - well done! I particularly like that they have provided - and you have posted - the file numbers associated with the origin.
Don't forget to have the reply scanned.
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« Reply #3 on Nov 6, 2011, 8:18am » | |
The straw of clutching is plentiful on this topic.
Tried to get a few shots of it when I was there last but it was popular with the kids, got Apollo 10 on film but the model looks slightly different if memory serves me. Of course though, the straw of clutching has caveats for this.
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« Reply #4 on Nov 6, 2011, 11:18am » | |
The absurdity of that claim is such that it can only be made by someone who has never actually been to the Science Museum and seen it. I have, on several occasions. it is tatty and a bit of a poor replica, frankly. The shape is right but the finish is not, with the ascent stage clearly being made of wood rather than metal. Beyond the superficial resemblance it really does not bear comparison with the LMs seen in the pictures and film of Apollo at all.
I do wonder what they say about the actual Apollo 10 command module that is also there, or the actual spacesuit worn by Bill Anders on Apollo 8....
Nice bit of detective work there, and nice that the museum have actually checked the paperwork rather than just fobbing you off.
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« Reply #5 on Nov 20, 2011, 5:21pm » | |
So the existence of mock ups proves that the real articles weren't real.
What version of stupid is this?
But that reminds me. I should probably add the Science Museum to my Day of Checking Things in London.
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« Reply #6 on Nov 20, 2011, 9:41pm » | |
I think the guy in charge of the special effects in 2001 is Brian Johnson, Kubrick was the director, Johnson is the creator of the popular Eagle spacecraft of Space:1999 in the movie 2001 he made the moon ships and the moonbase, he worked at Pinewood Studios and he never said anything about a moon hoax, he gives interviews but most of the people ask him about his popular ship and Tv show. Kubrick never did any special effects in the moon in the movie 2001 he was the supervisor, Johnson was in charge but he didn´t get any credit for this http://www.space1999.net/catacombs/main/crguide/vcs.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Johnson_(special_effects)
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« Reply #7 on Nov 21, 2011, 8:33am » | |
Nov 20, 2011, 9:41pm, gtvc wrote:I think the guy in charge of the special effects in 2001 is Brian Johnson, Kubrick was the director, Johnson is the creator of the popular Eagle spacecraft of Space:1999 in the movie 2001 he made the moon ships and the moonbase, he worked at Pinewood Studios and he never said anything about a moon hoax, he gives interviews but most of the people ask him about his popular ship and Tv show. Kubrick never did any special effects in the moon in the movie 2001 he was the supervisor, Johnson was in charge but he didn´t get any credit for this http://www.space1999.net/catacombs/main/crguide/vcs.html
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Going a bit offtopic, but what made you think that Johnson was in charge of the effects in 2001? As far as I always understood, Douglas Trumbull* was the effects supervisor. The only references to Johnson I can find relate to some work he did on the lunar base scenes.. As a 2001 fanboi, I'd be interested to know more, if you have conflicting info...
OK, back to your normal programming.. 
* also known for Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Star Trek: The Motion Picture, Blade Runner, Silent Running and Brainstorm (not a bad resume..)
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« Reply #8 on Nov 21, 2011, 11:04am » | |
Well I know Brian was in charge of the moon ships in 2001 thats the reason he was later in space 1999, if Stanley really wanted to do a " moon hoax" he would use the same people of 2001 no? specially the guy in charge of the moon special effects  maybe Im wrong
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« Reply #9 on Nov 21, 2011, 11:27am » | |
Trumbull was definitely the head of effects on 2001, using such techniques as slit-scan photography and very very rudimentary motion control. John Dykstra worked with him on Silent Runnings. And none of these guys were involved in any type of hoax for Apollo.
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« Reply #10 on Nov 21, 2011, 5:04pm » | |
Nov 5, 2011, 7:40pm, gillianren wrote:| What would they say about the real Apollo capsule which is on display in the science museum in Los Angeles? (Yes, I got a picture!) |
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Speaking of which, here's a picture of the Apollo 9 CM as it is displayed at the San Diego Aerospace Museum....with some weirdo guy. 
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« Reply #11 on Nov 21, 2011, 6:01pm » | |
Oh yeah? Well how about Kitty Hawk?
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« Reply #12 on Nov 22, 2011, 5:09am » | |
Around the corner from the mock is this
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Apollo 10.
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« Reply #13 on Dec 2, 2011, 7:55pm » | |
Nov 5, 2011, 7:40pm, gillianren wrote:| What would they say about the real Apollo capsule which is on display in the science museum in Los Angeles? (Yes, I got a picture!) |
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Please post a picture of that.. I would very much like to see it!
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« Reply #14 on Jan 4, 2012, 1:55pm » | |
Regardless, people are going to accept anything that looks like a module because they don't think otherwise
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