Bob B.
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Post by Bob B. on Jul 10, 2007 10:52:57 GMT -4
See you in a month, Rocky. Please consider using the time off to seek help from a psychiatric health professional. This delusion of yours is most unhealthy.
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Post by rchappo on Jul 10, 2007 11:01:32 GMT -4
[quote author=ishmael board=theories thread=1179607444 post=1184077286 It's a pretty big claim to make so back it up. You are on some pretty thin ice with this I think. You want to be careful what you accuse people of because you could end up in court saying stuff like that with no evidence. He only has a problem in court if there are damages, and there are only damages if somebody listens Very true. I just think someone with an attitude like his ie - going around throwing unfounded accusations about, is one day going to say the wrong thing to the wrong person and will have to pay the consequences. It could even be a physical consequence similar to Buzz v B.S. (BTW Rocky..this is not a threat, take it as a warning)
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Post by petereldergill on Jul 10, 2007 11:24:43 GMT -4
I think he wanted to get banned this time
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Jason
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Post by Jason on Jul 10, 2007 11:28:22 GMT -4
It's really more of a suspension than a banning, since it's temporary.
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Post by Bob B. on Jul 10, 2007 12:02:14 GMT -4
I think we pretty much had Rocky's response figured out ahead of time... Bob B. warns against the classic circularity by which the critic's alleged affiliation is suppored: he must be a disinformation agent because there can be no rational criticism of the conspiracy theory.
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Post by JayUtah on Jul 10, 2007 13:41:58 GMT -4
Anyone who doesn't see anything suspicious in the behavior of the astronauts here is either a disinfo agent, a blind patriot, or a moron.
And because you haven't considered the possibility that a person may simultaneously be well informed yet also disagree with you, you likely don't understand at all what it means to provide proof that we're the shills you accuse us of being.
Not letting people use non-Apollo issues to further their arguments is pretty simple-minded...
Not when the distraction is demonstrably a loaded litmus test. You presume we don't see through your little scheme. Instead, taking it at face value and subsequently falling for it would have been simple-minded.
Scrambling for irrelevant reasons to dismiss what someone says is ad hominem. To put it in your own words, you'd be "laughed out of the debating hall" to bring up some irrelevant question and suggest that you were obligated to address your opponent's relevant refutations only if he agreed with your belief on that irrelevant question.
On a different note, when factual arguments fail it's common then to cast doubt on something by associating with something else known or suspected to be unpleasant. Setting up the all-encompassing conspiracy scenery around something doesn't change its fundamental factual nature. Simple-minded people may follow a meandering, distractive argument just because it's offered, but sophisticated people know when to keep to the subject.
It's pretty easy to tell who the shills are on a forum.
Rather, it's easy for you to tell who the shills are because you define a shill as anyone who disagrees with you for any reason.
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Post by sts60 on Jul 10, 2007 14:56:25 GMT -4
I just think someone with an attitude like his ie - going around throwing unfounded accusations about, is one day going to say the wrong thing to the wrong person and will have to pay the consequences. It could even be a physical consequence similar to Buzz v B.S.
(BTW Rocky..this is not a threat, take it as a warning)
Do you really think rocky would actually say something that might have consequences for himself? That he would say something that would require personal accountability? That he would take any responsibility for his claims outside the safe anonymity of his little hidey-hole somewhere?
No, sorry, that will never happen. rocky - if he is not in fact the hacked-up ELIZA software I strongly suspect him of being - is an intellectual and moral coward.
It's not simply that he's incapable of original thought, nor that he's too lazy to do any work to back up his claims - Googling and posting video clips are not "work". No, rocky is not only incapable of and too lazy for such intellectual exercise, he's afraid of it. Afraid that his paranoid beliefs might be challenged if he takes his fingers out of his ears, opens his eyes, and stops saying "LA LA LA you're all paid disinformation agents LA LA LA all the scientists and engineers are lying LA LA LA it's obvious so there" for a moment. Afraid that the supposedly sophisticated worldview he's carefully nurtured with conspiracist twaddle and personal ego, and protected with the shield of his own determined ignorance, will be exposed for the silly cartoon it is. Afraid that he might have to actually face the fact that even though he knows nothing, and likes it that way, there are people who do know something and can honestly and competently refute his claims, undeterred by his evasive bluster and childish smokescreens.
Do you really think such an... individual would ever face physical responsibility for his actions?
As Comic Book Guy would say, "Are you the creator of Hi and Lois? - for you are making me laugh."
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Jason
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Post by Jason on Jul 10, 2007 15:20:12 GMT -4
In fact, do you think Rocky, if he returns, is likely to read posts that were made a month before? Nah, he'll just launch his latest attacks as if none of them had ever been seen before.
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Post by hplasm on Jul 10, 2007 15:24:20 GMT -4
Ah the feeling of Deja Vu returns as David?Rocky sinks once more into the murky waters, only to return anew on some other forum with his cut & past buffer rewound to the start, ready to post EXACTLY the same old guff. He probably won't be back here, but if he does return, you can bet your hat he just carries on where he left off, or where he started; which after all is pretty much the same thing. Don't forget to keep taking the tablets - or Bullwinkle will sit on you! ;D
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Post by Grand Lunar on Jul 10, 2007 15:55:02 GMT -4
I know this is a waste of time, but I just have to get this off my mind. Anyone who doesn't see anything suspicious in the behavior of the astronauts here is either a disinfo agent, a blind patriot, or a moron. I think disinfo agent is the most likely. So, now you resort to ad hom attacks, in addition to baseless claims? Why do you not open your mind to a fourth possibility: that Apollo was real, and hoax believers are wrong. Do you EVER think about that? Emphasis on the phrase "I think". To be fair, I think that you are paranoid. But I only think that. I'm not accusing you of it. I could, and I could provide evidence of such paranoia. But I have no wish to delve into such waters. Define "large numbers". Also, this assumes that Apollo was hoaxed in the first place. You have not yet shown WHY Apollo had to be faked. Also, the claims used to judge Apollo are not used on other space missions. This selectivity toward Apollo shows that hoax believers are merely jumping on the bandwagon without thinking. They do not use critical thinking to see the true issues. Hey, you asked what WE thought about that photo. We did that. So blame the person you see in the mirror if you have a problem with our responses. No, it's common courtesy. It keeps discussions on track. Otherwise, the topics would cover everything under the sun. That would be too confusing. No other HBer has had the trouble you do in wondering off topic. Why is it so hard for you to just follow SIMPLE instructions, and talk about Apollo in its place and other theories in their place. That's tough talk from someone that's not even educated in science. You have no room to talk. Not in the slightest. There are people whose online connections do not handle video downloads too well. Mine doesn't. What more, is that we'd rather hear what YOU say. We're not interested in watching someone's home movies about conspiracy theories. Then it should be easy for you to back up this claim, rather than insult people. What IS obvious, is that you apparently do not approve of response that disagree with you. You do not like being shown to have your beliefs to be shown to be in error. Nor do you like the fact that the so-called experts you refer to can also be shown to be wrong. Instead of taking cheap shots at people, provide proof of your claims and show that you are exercising critical thinking. And do not think that for one moment that you'll be seen as some kind of martyr. Instead, you've only shown yourself to be arrogant, and unwilling to have rational discussions.
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Post by JayUtah on Jul 10, 2007 17:15:58 GMT -4
Afraid that he might have to actually face the fact that even though he knows nothing, and likes it that way, there are people who do know something and can honestly and competently refute his claims, undeterred by his evasive bluster and childish smokescreens.
I believe it goes deeper than that.
Everyone must deal somehow with failure in his life. Last month I auditioned for The Secret Garden. I didn't even get a callback. How do I incorporate that into my ego? How do I move on? It's common to say, "It's a small cast, so competition is very fierce," or "The producers already had in mind who they wanted and auditions are just pro forma," or "The P.A. system came on during my audition and threw me off." (True.) All that sidesteps the possibility that I'm just not good enough or right for this play.
In other words, we all try to think of ways in which our failures are not our own fault. In some cases they aren't, but they are in many more cases than we care to admit. Taken to an extreme, this defense mechanism creates an entirely new world in which the bad things that happen to us come from organized, pervasive evil. In the pathological extreme that's paranoid schizophrenia.
If Rocky had to admit he knows next to nothing and prefers to remain ignorant, he will have to face up to the likelihood that his failures are his own fault and not that of oppression over which he has no control, and that the successes of others come from their initiative and effort and not from some predestined privilege.
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Post by scooter on Jul 10, 2007 18:19:30 GMT -4
I read rocky's post, and immediately got the notion I was about to see a train wreck...mainly caused by parking himself on the railroad tracks, and screaming at the onrushing train "you ain't got nuthin!! You aren't real!!" There is, unfortunately, more to the real world than attitude and bluster. ...yeah, he definitely came on wanting a suspension,
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Post by JayUtah on Jul 10, 2007 18:21:58 GMT -4
To depart voluntarily leaves open the interpretation he knew he was unable to cope. To be banned allows him to say he would have prevailed had we not taken steps to silence him.
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Post by Ginnie on Jul 10, 2007 19:07:28 GMT -4
A shill? I had to look that up. That's so funny. The people on this forum would be the last ones to blindly help cover up or conspire on something. Hasn't rocky ever seen the to an fro happening on our threads? We have lots of disagreements all the time.
Does anyone really think rocky believes what he is saying?
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Post by etac on Jul 10, 2007 22:49:18 GMT -4
Alas, poor Rocky... Myself, I think the reason he felt we were all shills is that the links at the bottom don't include Loose Change or his other favorite sources. Ah well, having made himself multifariously objectionable at BAUT (as DavidC) he now has lost this BB as a place to rail against his supposed oppressors. On to the next windmill I guess. In the meantime, let me summarize his favorite rhetorical devices which he undoubtedly felt were the acme of debate and argumentation tactics. They could easily have.... It is possible that.... Maybe.... Perhaps.... They lied.... I think.... (n.b. there's an oxymoron as Rocky is concerned. IMO he's part of the 85% that would rather die than think). So, did I miss any? Well, for now Rocky can now boast to his HB friends that he was oppressed by the big bad ApolloHoax disinformationists. That is, of course one of their badges of honor. You're nobody in the HB world until you've been banned here (or at BAUT).
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