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Post by sts60 on Jun 8, 2007 21:13:55 GMT -4
Welcome to the Apollo subforum, valis!
rocky, the "lurkers and viewers" you invoked have now judged to the tune of eight accepting Apollo, and none accepting your claims.
What does that tell you? Please note that any unsubstantiated claims about them being sock-puppets or my "friends", or attempts to divert them to non-Apollo loyalty tests, will be rejected out of hand.
8-0. What does that tell you?
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Post by gillianren on Jun 9, 2007 1:08:42 GMT -4
You know, I did have a friend who joined BAUT and posted for a while after hearing me talk about it. I never told him what to say; everything he said, he said because he believed it. How does the fact that he's my friend make his opinion any less valid? I mean, I know more things he and I disagree about than I do things my online friends and I disagree about.
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Post by gwiz on Jun 9, 2007 8:25:24 GMT -4
There's a way to find out if these people are really lurkers and viewers, or just more of your friends. On the other hand, you were the one initially claiming that "lurkers and viewers" were convinced by your posts, so where are they?
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Post by hplasm on Jun 9, 2007 10:00:34 GMT -4
There's a way to find out if these people are really lurkers and viewers, or just more of your friends. On the other hand, you were the one initially claiming that "lurkers and viewers" were convinced by your posts, so where are they? If I was mischevious, I would say that it is hard to type in a straitjacket. But I'm not. So I won't.
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Post by rocky on Jun 9, 2007 10:41:21 GMT -4
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Post by AtomicDog on Jun 9, 2007 11:10:34 GMT -4
Where are your friends? Why aren't they here?
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Post by BertL on Jun 9, 2007 11:30:11 GMT -4
An argument isn't "This video in which the guy says the dust is slow". Evidence isn't "What this guy in this video said and shows."
An argument is "The dust is slow, showing the moon landings to be fake". Supportive evidence would be "This particular footage from this Apollo Mission" (and NOT "This video with the guy talking and then showing some stuff and then telling us the dust is slow").
The viewers ARE watching, and they have judged too, in that one thread. Or would you prefer to argue that the viewers who are watching this and are in favor of you aren't supportive enough to register and say "I think rocky is right"?
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Post by LunarOrbit on Jun 9, 2007 11:32:26 GMT -4
"What Happened on the Moon", and "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon" keep going on and off line. That is because they are copyrighted material and as much as I hate to defend Bart Sibrel's right to make money from his videos, copyright holders are allowed to protect their work. Linking to copyrighted videos in the forum is against the rules and the Proboards Terms of Service. It is also against the Google and YouTube rules to upload copyrighted video, that is why they keep removing them. So unless you have Bart Sibrel's written permission to link to his videos, and I'm sure you don't, please don't link to them here again. I have seen "A Funny Thing Happened..." and it's a load of lies and deception. Anyone gullible enough to believe any of it is a fool.
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Post by furi on Jun 9, 2007 11:34:49 GMT -4
There's a way to find out if these people are really lurkers and viewers, or just more of your friends would I have been asked to complete an objectivity (WTF) test if I happened to be in complete agreement, with you. even if the test in question is "what do you think of xxx?". I have decided to answer so don't post it again in reply to me. If I happened to have been in agreement to you regarding Apollo, but not in agreement regarding sep 11 or any other alleged CTs would that make my opinion any less valid. also as I sit and watch the preparations for the shuttle launch, is it the Apollo series you disagree with, or just specific missions that you consider BS. if specific series/missions why not post those details, or is it just NASA in General or ALL space travel, as I am curious do you believe that I am now watching a fake mission launch for example.. if not, Why Not, what proof can you offer that shows this current launch is real? Rocky you could provide an answer to the above first, If you are banned unjustly that would be atravesty, however off topic posting is a just offense. In relation that the evidence that has been published on the tinerweb, how about the physics and science sites, the astrophysics and political history sites, other space agencies other governments, the endless other produced works some even quite critical of NASA that still do not denounce the moon landings. If I make a video advising that the major contributors and profiteers from the Hoax theories are under govt. control would that be a credible resource. What do you need for a source to be Credible? given the technology and digital manipulation software available today what is to say that those sources are correct.. I watched the matrix does that make it true? I am still interested to know what OTHER aspects of the worlds space programmes you believe are faked, and which aspects you accept? I am not going to watch your videos, for one reason, I manage to type, I cna even type in overviews and excerpts why can you not do the same. I don't care if you give me a time reference, because that is taken out of context of the entire production. It would be similar for me to post links to Physics sites and ask you to spend some time reading up on them you have no desire to, so you request that we post in chunks, which we do. however even when these bite sized chunks are given you denounce them as false because all the worlds science is false. Q. What is the acceleration due to gravity on earth in SI Units Q. What is the value of c in SI units Q. What is the mean distance to the Moon Q. What is the orbital time of Neptune please could you answer and state sources for this info? a follow up post will occur.
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Post by JayUtah on Jun 9, 2007 13:04:18 GMT -4
I've seen loads of laymen become convinced -- at least temporarily -- after viewing hoax films. And that's because normal people tend to be swayed by evidence offered for only one side of the question. They think in these cases they're seeing the whole story. And of course many of these unscrupulous filmmakers indeed say they're presenting "just the facts" and allowing the viewer to draw his own conclusions. But then the facts they present are just as often as not purely made-up crap, or else they're items that support only one side of the question. The other, contradicting facts are simply omitted.
And in Sibrel's case he presents a few unconnected visuals while his narrator beats you over the head repeatedly with the assertion that the astronauts really are just in low Earth orbit.
But most reasonable people will come back to center when you explain the other side of the story. And after it's been shown to them how they were fooled by Sibrel et al., a few I know have become visibly angry and suggested that someone should sue Sibrel.
Yet a surprising number remain convinced by Sibrel even after discussion. Why? Because they believed the conclusions going into it already. They didn't watch Sibrel with an open mind or a curious approach. They watched him instead hoping to get ammunition for beliefs they already held. The principal audience for those materials is the fringe-believers. And these authors and filmmakers know it. Why do you think they would produce a film if they didn't think there would be a ready audience for it?
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Post by Ginnie on Jun 9, 2007 14:18:10 GMT -4
Rocky, you said: Once people have seen all of those videos, there's not much any of you can do to convince them that Apollo wasn't a hoax. I'm referring to the real viewers--not your friends.
I am a real viewer, and I wasn't convinced by anyone at this forum that Apollo wasn't a hoax. After seeing parts of those videos I did my own independent research and found out what a crock of **** they were (just in my opinion of course). In the course of my search for knowledge about Apollo I ended up here. Typing Apollo Hoax into Google will do that. (by the way, is that why the site still is called ApolloHoax?)
I have to stop right here and tell the truth. I can't maintain this facade any longer. You're right, I am friends will all the members here who believe Apollo really happened as NASA said it did. I confess. There, you have it. Now that I've come out into the open, I can finally -ask Jay for the ten bucks I lent him last week -oh, and sts60, her name was Maria, not Marie -and gillianren, I'll get that 'The Origins and Development of the English Language' book back to you even if I didn't finish it... -and furi, when I visit I have to make a sidetrip to my ancestors county Waterford... -and svector, I couldn't tell you in person the last time but I didn't know it wasn't you speaking in your videos 'cause I have titinitus in my right ear -and Jason, when you asked me what was more important - Math or Religion - I was too drunk to respond but my mind is clear now but I forget what the answer is -and Rocky, you still owe me 29.95 plus tax for that crappy video you bought off Amazon (and prove to me your don't owe it).
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Post by scooter on Jun 9, 2007 15:06:52 GMT -4
When it comes to math, I am not objective. When it comes to physical attributes of the lunar module, and false statements about them, I am not objective. When it comes to the bright lunar surface being a "second" available fil light source, I am not objective. These are cold hard facts. There is no "interpretation" to be done. The links you made, I have seen all these films, studied their arguments, took copious noted rebutting them...there is nothing new here. Have you studied the Apollo data, to understand it? Or have you simply lapped up this ignorant swill these videos peddle. without thinking, analyzing, studying? You took the easy road, and you are wrong. If you bothered to actually learn something, you would see just how wrong you are.
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Post by nomuse on Jun 9, 2007 16:21:33 GMT -4
I think a fair measure of Rocky's reseach ability is that he believes finding a copy of "Funny Thing Happened..." on You-Tube is difficult enough for other forum guests to need help with.
(Let me just say that has been far from my own experience.)
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Post by frenat on Jun 9, 2007 16:21:46 GMT -4
ginniegatrit, don't you owe me some money too?
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Post by sts60 on Jun 9, 2007 16:22:14 GMT -4
Once people have seen all of those videos, there's not much any of you can do to convince them that Apollo wasn't a hoax.
Everyone here is of course free to examine such material. In fact, I encourage them to examine the hoax claims critically, and come here and ask questions, and form their own independent opinions.
I'm referring to the real viewers--not your friends.
I already informed you that such unsubstantiated claims would be rejected out of hand, so the claim that they are not "real viewers" is hereby rejected for lack of evidence.
Eight real viewers to date have provided judgments. Every one of them has rejected your claims. That's an unambiguous result to this experiment, and it also illustrates vividly why you avoid performing experiments: they simply don't back you up.
I've finished my experiment, and provided you with the results. Don't whine about it. You asked for it.
Edit: fixed markup tag
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