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Post by altair4 on Jan 22, 2008 20:58:21 GMT -4
everybody has their own level of undestanding!!
no substitute 4 experience!!
I'm talking about myself that is!
what is the the truth about Apollo 11...I don't know and neither do U and U never WILL!!
what is the TRUTH about Apollo 11,its only Buzz and Neil that knows...they were there and U weren't!!
WELL DONE APOLLO!!
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Post by Ginnie on Jan 22, 2008 21:04:17 GMT -4
everybody has their own level of undestanding!! no substitute 4 experience!! I'm talking about myself that is! what is the the truth...I don't know and neither do U and U never WILL!! what is the TRUTH about Apollo 11,its only Buzz and Neil that knows...they were there and U weren't!! WELL DONE APOLLO!! Altair4 - what the heck are you going on about? You have stated many times previously that you believe the Apollo moon missions happened, and now you're saying that we cannot tell whether it happened or not? Neil and Buzz weren't the only astronauts to land on the moon...oh, forget it. Don't bother replying, it is clear you're either here to stir things or just to confuse us. EDIT: You are blemishing New Zealand's reputation. MORE EDIT: You know, there actually is a way to intelligently discuss Out of Body Experience (I may have had one), but the way you're going about it will get you nowhere.... |
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jan 22, 2008 21:12:44 GMT -4
EDIT: You are blemishing New Zealand's reputation.
Well now that we know his name, I have my local NWO branch working on getting him deported to Australia.
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Post by JayUtah on Jan 22, 2008 21:12:45 GMT -4
Ginnie, I don't think he's questioning the authenticity of the missions. Based on this and other posts, I'd say he's claiming the "real" story of Apollo 11 involves some clear encounter with space aliens.
Altair4, kindly don't assume we're closed-minded simply because we don't agree with your ravings. Open-mindedness does not mean you ignore evidence or the lack of it. We'll be quite willing to entertain any theory you propose without prejudicially rejecting it. However, we may end up rejecting it because there's simply no evidence for it, and possibly plenty of evidence to the contrary. It is not closed-minded to reject extraordinary claims for which no proof is given. It may be fun for you to play the what-if game with Apollo and space aliens, but we distinguish between what's apparent by the evidence and what's merely imagined.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jan 22, 2008 21:16:17 GMT -4
However, we may end up rejecting it because there's simply no evidence for it, and possibly plenty of evidence to the contrary.
The only evidence I've seen in his rantings is that they closed Lake Alice WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too soon.
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Post by Ginnie on Jan 22, 2008 21:18:53 GMT -4
Ginnie, I don't think he's questioning the authenticity of the missions. Based on this and other posts, I'd say he's claiming the "real" story of Apollo 11 involves some clear encounter with space aliens. Jay, I am a simple man. I get confused easily, just ask my family.  On the other hand, I thought we established through our posts that those 'dots' on the photos and videos that he presented were NOT of extraterrestrial origin, yet altair4 made no acknowledgment of our information. That bugs me. |
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Post by altair4 on Jan 22, 2008 21:38:39 GMT -4
Hey Phantom Wolf
I understand they closed Lake Alice....
now read about Dr Leeks that tortured his patients there!!!(serious!,he is no relation)
go to: Dr Leeks,Lake Alice (in Google) comes up
"probe into Lake Alice treatment (vertical line) Health(vertical line)News(vertical line)tvnz.co.nz
comes up:www.tvnz.co.nz/view/page/425826/62341
"Leeks allegedly used injections the drug paraaldehyde and electric shocks to modify the behavior the children of the facility according to RANZCP"
what a guy! sounds like Dr Mengele!!!
no,serious I don't what happened to him but he was in deep sh*t!!
Don't despair Dr Leeks is here!!!...he'll look after ya!!
I love your website
Paul Leeks(NZ)
OBTW I like the feed back
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Post by JayUtah on Jan 22, 2008 21:53:46 GMT -4
...yet altair4 made no acknowledgment of our information. That bugs me.
It bugs me too. While we talk about an Apollo hoax, any claim that Apollo was something other than what the evidence shows is going to attract a challenge here.
And it's especially annoying to be called closed-minded by someone who ignores what's said to him.
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Post by altair4 on Jan 22, 2008 22:15:20 GMT -4
Truth lies between 2 extremes
Bart sibrel 2 Aldrin: "you are a Liar and a coward" (Youtube) and gets whacked in the face!!good one Buzz
Aldrin(interview:" I was on the moon,if you don't believe it forget it!" (Youtube)
WELL DONE APOLLO
The people on this website think that evidence is everything,its not ,because absence of evidence is not evidence of abscence!!
from my experience (and maybe yours) its harder 2 tell the truth than it is 2 lie!!
HOW DO U FEEL WHEN U HAVE EXPERIENCED THINGS OUT OF THE ORDINARY AND PEOPLE DON'T BELIEVE YOU!!YEAH!! U KNOW WHAT IT FEELS LIKE!!
THE BIGGEST NUTTERS ARE IGNORANT PEOPLE WHO CHOOSE 2 B IGNORANT(in black and white sense) without even looking at the big picture!!! JAMES RANDI IS THE BIGGEST NUTTER I CAN THINK OF!!!!
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Post by hplasm on Jan 22, 2008 22:24:10 GMT -4
" If only people were a bit more open minded!! " Their brain might fall out- see above for evidence  |
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Post by Ginnie on Jan 22, 2008 22:24:49 GMT -4
JAMES RANDI IS THE BIGGEST NUTTER I CAN THINK OF!!!!
Yeah, Uri Geller thinks the same thing.
Randi duplicates Uri's spoon bending 'trick' using standard magician practices.
There's a reason that no one has ever collected the now $1.000,000 prize for proof of psychic phenomena. For whatever reason they cannot duplicate their powers under controlled conditions. Whether it is water dousing or ESP demonstrations, they all fail.
Remember the guy who could move the pages of a book with his 'mind'. He could do it easily any time. Of course when Randi put bits of styrofoam around the book his powers mysteriously vanished. Can you figure out why?
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Post by Ginnie on Jan 22, 2008 22:29:03 GMT -4
from my experience (and maybe yours) its harder 2 tell the truth than it is 2 lie!!
Just speak for yourself.
I think that if it is harder for you to tell the truth then you've got problems. The truth satisfies your soul, a lie eats away at it.
Eventually people who lie a lot can't tell the difference between the two. Their reality changes, their perception of the world changes and they start doing bad things.
Doesn't this make you concerned?
EDIT: Hey Jay, what happened to our stars! I wanted another one when I reached 1000 posts. ;D
Bring them back...
Bring them back....(chant)
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Post by JayUtah on Jan 22, 2008 23:07:16 GMT -4
Truth lies between 2 extremes
No. Sometimes the truth lies at one of the extremes. That is especially true of many things in the observable universe. Gravity, for example, is not a matter of negotiation or opinion. Assertions about how it affects objects are either right or wrong.
absence of evidence is not evidence of abscence!!
Then it's a good thing we don't consider absence of evidence to be evidence of absence. Or in other words, there is a difference between declining to accept a proposal and asserting its converse.
We don't consider the absence of proof for space aliens proof that space aliens don't exist. No one here asserts that space aliens don't exist. Rather we declined to accept the existence of space aliens as a premise for other claims without proof, for example as explanations of various sightings.
However, since absence is impossible to prove, it's quite reasonable to hold by default a believe in absence until presence is shown. Those who argue that something exists have the burden of proof.
HOW DO U FEEL WHEN U HAVE EXPERIENCED THINGS OUT OF THE ORDINARY AND PEOPLE DON'T BELIEVE YOU!!
I can believe that people have experienced things. I cannot necessarily believe that their interpretation of their experience and its cause must necessarily be the truth. The subjective privilege is not an assurance of correctness.
THE BIGGEST NUTTERS ARE IGNORANT PEOPLE WHO CHOOSE 2 B IGNORANT(in black and white sense) without even looking at the big picture!
I disagree. The biggest "nutters" are those who refuse to look at evidence because they don't want to stop believing what they predetermined to believe.
You seem determined to write us off as "black-and-white" thinkers because we don't accept your particular claims. You need to learn the difference between not accepting a conclusion and denying it. We know that difference.
Far too many fringe thinkers want to wave their hands wildly at some nebulous "big picture" in order to avoid any specific test of their ideas. They fancy themselves thinkers of a higher order than those around them. But in fact they're simply people who don't want to compare their thinking to reality.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jan 22, 2008 23:11:59 GMT -4
No one here asserts that space aliens don't exist.
At least now that Bill has gone.
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Post by laurel on Jan 22, 2008 23:19:05 GMT -4
JAMES RANDI IS THE BIGGEST NUTTER I CAN THINK OF!!!!Yeah, Uri Geller thinks the same thing. Randi duplicates Uri's spoon bending 'trick' using standard magician practices. There's a reason that no one has ever collected the now $1.000,000 prize for proof of psychic phenomena. For whatever reason they cannot duplicate their powers under controlled conditions. Whether it is water dousing or ESP demonstrations, they all fail. Remember the guy who could move the pages of a book with his 'mind'. He could do it easily any time. Of course when Randi put bits of styrofoam around the book his powers mysteriously vanished. Can you figure out why? That reminds me of Jasmuheen, the "breatharian" who says she lives on light and air and never has to eat. 60 Minutes Australia proposed an experiment where they put her under strict observation to make sure she didn't eat; Jasmuheen agreed to this, but she got so sick and dehydrated after only a few days that they had to stop the experiment. |
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