Bob B.
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Post by Bob B. on May 5, 2008 21:20:30 GMT -4
I think only Alan Shepard from the first group made it to the moon on Apollo 14. Correct, Shepard was the only of the original seven to fly to the Moon. In fact, of the 24 men to journey to the Moon, 12 were rookies making their first flight, 11 were Gemini veterans, and only 1 was a Mercury veteran. How in the heck do HB get around these issues? They pretend like they don't exist. Is there any good HB site that addresses this? Not that I know of. Everytime I've seen Dr. Keel's page referenced during the course of a moon hoax debate, the HB has completely ignored it.
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Post by PhantomWolf on May 6, 2008 0:37:41 GMT -4
Only one person flew Mercury, Gemini and Apollo, but he retired before 11.
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Post by laurel on May 6, 2008 1:15:09 GMT -4
Wally Schirra.
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Post by Waspie_Dwarf on May 6, 2008 5:25:39 GMT -4
Only one person flew Mercury, Gemini and Apollo, but he retired before 11. Although, sadly, Gus Grissom should also have shared that honour.
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Post by sts60 on May 22, 2008 13:44:51 GMT -4
Welcome back, turbonium: 1. What exactly prevented Apollo 8 from going to the Moon?
2. Exactly when and how was this problem or set of problems discovered to be insurmountable?
3. What specific evidence do you have for the existence of this problem?Not quotes mined from 1958 articles. Not recent articles which talk about the hazards of long-duration missions. Not handwaving claims about other launch vehicles. What specifically was discovered, and when, that kept Apollo 8 from leaving Earth orbit, and what is the specific evidence for it? [ Apollo 8 was tracked on its translunar trajectory by observers in Hawaii, the continental United States, the UK, France, and Spain, as well as by the Soviet Union (thanks, PhantomWolf).]
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Post by sts60 on Jun 6, 2008 9:59:32 GMT -4
Bump for turbonium. Since you evidently have time to raise new claims, kindly answer the questions above in order to clarify and support claims you have already made.
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Post by Ginnie on Jun 6, 2008 14:08:01 GMT -4
I'm convinced that it had to be faked from the Apollo 8 mission forward, because we weren't capable of manned flight beyond LEO I'm losing track of turboniums responses, but has he answered this question of why we couldn't have any manned flights beyond earth orbit?
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Post by Data Cable on Jun 6, 2008 14:22:37 GMT -4
Nope
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Bob B.
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Post by Bob B. on Jun 6, 2008 15:26:19 GMT -4
I'm losing track of turboniums responses, but has he answered this question of why we couldn't have any manned flights beyond earth orbit? The closest he came to answering was this: But why couldn't Apollo 8 leave low Earth orbit? I'm not totally ruling out the possibility (that it was technically feasable for Apollo 8 to leave LEO). However, when compared to Ares V, and all of its ongoing problems, it's starting to look all the more that it was not possible. But the problems I find with Apollo 8 go well beyond this issue. Please note the evasion, shifting of goal posts, and changing of subject.
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Post by Grand Lunar on Jun 7, 2008 7:58:06 GMT -4
Indeed.
Does Turbo even realize that Apollo's adavantage (least after Kennedy's influence) was $$$?
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Post by sts60 on Jun 7, 2008 8:00:42 GMT -4
Bump for turbonium. I certainly don't want him to have to wade through a lot of responses in order to defend his claims: 1. What exactly prevented Apollo 8 from going to the Moon?
2. Exactly when and how was this problem or set of problems discovered to be insurmountable?
3. What specific evidence do you have for the existence of this problem?Not quotes mined from 1958 articles. Not recent articles which talk about the hazards of long-duration missions. Not handwaving claims about other launch vehicles. What specifically was discovered, and when, that kept Apollo 8 from leaving Earth orbit, and what is the specific evidence for it? [ Apollo 8 was tracked on its translunar trajectory by observers in Hawaii, the continental United States, the UK, France, and Spain, as well as by the Soviet Union (thanks, PhantomWolf).]
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Post by Ginnie on Jun 10, 2008 20:32:53 GMT -4
On the other side of the coin are the UFO enthusiasts. On this page of 'facts' aboutfacts.net/UFO95.htmaboutfacts.net/ufo/UFO95/AS14-70-983637.jpgThe above photo is supposedly a NASA photograph AS14-70-9836/37 from Apollo 14, I have done a cursory search of the NASA web site and I do not find any photograph of this number available, but this has happened to me in the past when photos have been withdrawn by NASA. I obtained this photograph from one of the many web sites that claim it as a NASA photograph. Could this be a NASA photograph taken by the astronauts of Apollo 14 and later deleted from the NASA site? One never knows. It is said that a well known NASA scientist has said that not every discovery has been announced to the public. I believe this to be the understatement of the century.The original photos are not hidden at all, they are AS14-70-983636 and AS14-70-983637. www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/browse/AS14/70/9836.jpgwww.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/browse/AS14/70/9837.jpg Looks like some sort of lens flare or glare - the 'UFO' is transparent, which is not at all obvious in the purple tinted exhibit of the photograph on the UFO site.
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Post by Count Zero on Jun 11, 2008 2:50:28 GMT -4
It looks like a reflection in the window from something inside the spacecraft cabin.
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Post by captain swoop on Jun 11, 2008 6:38:46 GMT -4
Turbo is backing off even from LEO in his own named thread, now they never launched.
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Post by sts60 on Jun 12, 2008 0:06:39 GMT -4
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