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Post by rocky on Jun 2, 2007 11:25:07 GMT -4
Of course there's no connection. You are entirely missing (or pretending not to see) the point. If the government can lie about depleted uranium or genetically-modified foods or US foreign policy or 9/11, it is obviously capable of lying. That's the point I wanted to make. I did not want to discuss the other cases on that thread. I only used them as examples of lies by the US government in order to discredit the argument that "If the governmenty says it, it must be true.". There is absolutely nothing wrong with doing that. If you go back and look at the thread, you'll see that I didn't mention 9/11. apollohoax.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=theories&action=display&thread=1172922252Yes, I think 9/11 was an inside job but I figured the other cases were enough to make my point. Go into some detail on why the claims in that thread are not based on facts or logic. Do it on this thread if you think it's not appropriate to do it here. apollohoax.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=theories&action=display&thread=1172922252&page=3I was gone. You people didn't continue the discussion objectively. When I came back, I was afraid to continue it. The thread was still there, but you didn't have to deal with it. I don't see why it would be technically impossible. It just a matter of programming. It was quite a coincidence that the only place where I couldn't stay logged in was in the section where my threads were. apollohoax.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=othertheories&action=display&thread=1167919003apollohoax.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=othertheories&action=display&thread=1168881171apollohoax.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=othertheories&action=display&thread=1167835067apollohoax.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=othertheories&action=display&thread=1167834368&page=1This is a very simplistic (and desperate) statement. Some of the evidence is so obvious that common sense suffices. A consensus among the regulars here--I'm referring to lurkers and viewers. I'm not going to say I'm sure but I strongly suspect that you people don't even believe your own argumnents for the reasons outlined in this link. www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1222(excerpt) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 4) They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs or teams. Of course, this can happen naturally in any public forum, but there will likely be an ongoing pattern of frequent exchanges of this sort where professionals are involved. Sometimes one of the players will infiltrate the opponent camp to become a source for straw man or other tactics designed to dilute opponent presentation strength. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Whenever you use the argument that "There is a consensus" or "There are lots of experts here who say this", you know what hoax-believers are thinking. The evidence is circumstantial. The answers you all gave to the question in this link make it pretty clear that you have to follow the official government line on everything hell-or-high-water. The fact that a lot of you refused to answer it says a lot too. apollohoax.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=othertheories&action=display&thread=1169650064That's your opinion. If any of the stuff I brought up here is inappropriate in this thread, we can continue talking about it on the above thread.
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Post by BertL on Jun 2, 2007 12:01:54 GMT -4
So I guess this is your way of not finding out for yourself whether your theory on the dust works or not.
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Post by gwiz on Jun 2, 2007 12:30:12 GMT -4
You are entirely missing (or pretending not to see) the point. If the government can lie about depleted uranium or genetically-modified foods or US foreign policy or 9/11, it is obviously capable of lying. That's the point I wanted to make. I did not want to discuss the other cases on that thread. I only used them as examples of lies by the US government in order to discredit the argument that "If the governmenty says it, it must be true.". There is absolutely nothing wrong with doing that. The trouble with you taking that stance, Rocky, is thay no-one on the other side of the argument is saying that trusting the US government is the road to truth. We are instead putting up all sorts of other arguments, including appeals to the physics of the situation, which you tend to ignore because you cannot refute them. Several people have suggested simple experiments you could carry out, questions you could ask your local university, etc, but you ignore them all and hide behind this strawman of blind trust in the US governnment.
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Post by wingerii on Jun 2, 2007 12:47:47 GMT -4
Rocky, given enough time and money, I could build a robot that could track you down, steal your wallet, swim to New York, and max out your credit cards at the Apple Store. That is, I am capable of doing so. Now go check if your wallet is missing.
The Big Bad Guvermint, the Pope, the Prime Minister of Canada, Tibetan monks, Steven Gerrard, you, or I are all capable of pretty much anything. Lindsey Lohan is capable of being a productive member of society, but that doesn't mean that she is.
Oops, I'm feeding the troll. My advice at this point would be to heed rocky's wishes, and let the readers decide for themselves. I propose that we end all discussion of this matter in this thread.
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Post by frenat on Jun 2, 2007 13:45:28 GMT -4
Most didn't answer because they didn't want to discuss non-Apollo stuff in an Apollo forum. You still don't get that. As for Apollo, most of the hoax arguments can be refuted using basic principles of astronomy, physics, photography, geology, etc. None of the hoax arguments stand up to any scrutiny. The fact that you constantly grasp at straws and come up with stuff like "multiple tons of washed and sifted sand" to try to prove your preheld belief that Apollo was a hoax says a lot more about you. You have not looked at the subject objectively and then claim that we don't. You're a joke and everybody here, including the lurkers knows it. Go troll somewhere else.
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Post by gillianren on Jun 2, 2007 14:26:01 GMT -4
I was gone. You people didn't continue the discussion objectively. When I came back, I was afraid to continue it. The thread was still there, but you didn't have to deal with it. And, conveniently, you didn't have to answer the literally dozens, now, of questions that we've asked you. In your own words, not with videos, as we've asked you to. Frankly, I thought you should have been banned for good for that a long time ago. David, you seem to know less about science than I do. That's not an accomplishment to brag about. Yeah, and everyone I've talked to who doesn't post here things your arguments are really dumb. Everyone I've talked to with less interest in these things than I has agreed that your ideas about Apollo don't make any sense. My physical therapist thinks you're nuts about the whole sand thing.
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Post by Bob B. on Jun 2, 2007 14:56:01 GMT -4
I only used them as examples of lies by the US government in order to discredit the argument that "If the governmenty says it, it must be true.". Your point is moot because no one here has used the argument "If the governmenty says it, it must be true."
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Post by sts60 on Jun 2, 2007 15:11:57 GMT -4
Of course there's no connection. You are entirely missing (or pretending not to see) the point. If the government can lie about depleted uranium or genetically-modified foods or US foreign policy or 9/11, it is obviously capable of lying.
And it has been pointed out to you, in detail, why just such lies about Apollo could not work because they would be seen through very quickly by engineers and scientists all over the world. You choose to simply ignore these explanations and keep bleating, "they could by lying, they could be lying, they could be lying", even though such lies would not be successful and you have not a shred of evidence for such lies. No one is obliged to listen to your repetitious ELIZA-like blithering if you cannot address the refutations and cannot offer evidence.
That's the point I wanted to make. I did not want to discuss the other cases on that thread. I only used them as examples of lies by the US government in order to discredit the argument that "If the governmenty says it, it must be true.". There is absolutely nothing wrong with doing that.
Wrong again. The rules of the forum said post non-Apollo items in the non-Apollo forum. If you're too dense or lack the self-control to do so, that's your problem.
When I came back, I was afraid to continue it. The thread was still there, but you didn't have to deal with it.
Baloney. You are absolutely free to start the whole thing up again in the "Other Conspiracies" forum. Spare us the poor-little-me drivel.
This is a very simplistic (and desperate) statement. Some of the evidence is so obvious that common sense suffices.
Nothing in the Apollo claims you have made matches up with common sense. Your opinion has invariably been proven to be wide of the mark, and it's been explained to you every time, and you keep ignoring the explanations and regurgitating the same drivel every time as if nothing had transpired. You're an intellectual coward who cannot deal with informed reaction to the ignorance you use to prop up your worldview; you simply evade what you can't deal with and keep repeating yourself as if that makes what you say less vacuous.
A consensus among the regulars here--I'm referring to lurkers and viewers.
Unlike you, I have issued an open invitation for such "lurkers and viewers" to chime in and tell us exactly what they think. Until such folks do so, they are simply an imaginary army of supporters you have conjured up to go with your imaginary "common sense" and your imaginary everything else.
I'm not going to say I'm sure but I strongly suspect that you people don't even believe your own argumnents
Provide evidence for this assertion, or retract it.
The evidence is circumstantial.
No. There is an enormous amount of hard data verified by generations of engineers and scientists worldwide. If you are unable to actually learn something about it, you can repeat this mantra forever but it remains meaningless.
That's your opinion.
No. Specific examples have been repeatedly posted here. Sibrel, for example, continued to claim he had "secret" Apollo footage which had been publicly available for decades even after this fact had been pointed out. He has also repeatedly lied to astronauts to lure them into ambush interviews. These are facts, not opinions.
If any of the stuff I brought up here is inappropriate in this thread, we can continue talking about it on the above thread.
There is nothing to talk about until you start answering, in detail, the questions and counterarguments put to you in the Apollo threads, refuting such things as your bogus "six feet of lead" claim, the laughable "two sets of radiation data" claims, etc. If you continue to simply repeat your vacuous "they're lying" mantra, I will cheerfully recognize you for the brain-dead ELIZA program I really suspect you are, and stop wasting my time trying to educate you.
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Post by frenat on Jun 2, 2007 15:14:39 GMT -4
What don't you get about the fact that Lunar Orbit does not have access to the programming of the forum? The forum software is owned, programmed and operated by Proboards. Why don't you go complain to them about your problem caused by using internet cafes?
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Post by LunarOrbit on Jun 2, 2007 20:06:25 GMT -4
Of course there's no connection. You are entirely missing (or pretending not to see) the point. If the government can lie about depleted uranium or genetically-modified foods or US foreign policy or 9/11, it is obviously capable of lying. No one here has ever said that the government is incapable of lying. No one here has ever said that the government never lies. The point that you can't seem to grasp is that just because the government has lied about some things doesn't mean they also lied about Apollo. It is possible to lie about some things and still tell the truth about others. You have to prove each instance of lying separately, one doesn't prove the other. You can show us a million examples of the government lying. It is not proof that they lied about Apollo. So let me ask you this: have you ever told a lie, David? Even a small one? If yes (and only a liar would answer "no") then does that mean that everything you have said is a lie? The point you were trying to make was illogical and off topic. Fortunately for you there is only a rule against being off topic, otherwise every post you made would be a rule violation. No one here has ever used that argument. We don't believe in Apollo simply because that's what the government tells us is true, we believe it because that is what the facts tell us is true. I don't believe 2+2=4 just because that's what my teachers and parents told me is true, I believe it because if I have 2 apples and add 2 more, I have 4 apples. I can count. Likewise, I can verify for myself that the official explanation for Apollo makes sense. There absolutely is something wrong with using a false argument. Maybe not in that specific thread, but you weren't banned for just one violation of the rule. You were warned repeatedly after multiple violations. But it's still visible to "the viewers". If I was a government agent who was scared by your claims I would quickly delete your messages... and then I would go after all of the sites that you link to and wipe them out too. Explain to me why your writing and your sources are still online if they are so damning to the government? The fact that they still exist makes me suspect they are unfounded. Because you lack the technical knowledge to understand why. Have you asked the manager of the internet cafe if they block cookies yet? What part of "I don't have that kind of control over the forum software" don't you understand? I do not have access to the forum's software, therefore I could not modify it even if I knew how. If you don't believe me then go ahead and start your own Proboards forum and show us how you, as the admin, have access to the underlying code. You have shown several times that "common sense" fails you often. I will only take into consideration the opinions that are actually expressed in the forum, not those of your alleged lurkers. Until these people who supposedly support you come out of hiding I have no reason to believe they even exist.
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Post by LunarOrbit on Jun 3, 2007 1:05:51 GMT -4
While you did start that thread with links unrelated to Apollo, it was not the first instance of you being warned about taking threads off topic. You were warned at least twice previously in the Reflection of Sun in Visor is Too Big thread. Warning #1:David, that has NOTHING to do with Apollo. Keep your 9/11 conspiracy garbage out of this section of the forum. Warning #2:Stop avoiding the issue and give your analysis of that picture of the nose of the plane that hit the Pentagon which is obviously not the nose of a 757. Last warning. If you continue to discuss 9/11 in this section of the forum you will be banned for one month. And then finally, in the All of the Apollo data are bogus thread you linked to nine web pages that were unrelated to Apollo. I responded with this: The rules are perfectly clear. If you repeatedly take threads off-topic and disregard warnings from me you will be banned. I warned you about this and yet you continue to do it, so I therefore have no choice but to ban you. See you in one month... if you continue this behaviour when you return it will become a permanent ban. I think I've made my stance clear enough. Are you going to continue to post off topic messages?
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Post by Ginnie on Jun 7, 2007 20:32:08 GMT -4
I wish I had Rocky on my debating team way back when... And Moon Man... We would have driven the moderator around in circles!
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Post by frenat on Jun 8, 2007 4:45:34 GMT -4
Yes, for a bit. But then you ultimately would have lost any debates and been laughed out of the competitions.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jun 10, 2007 22:40:45 GMT -4
Innit about time to split off the sub-thread of Rocky's complaints, and return this thread to its original purpose: The listing of banned users?
Fred
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Post by LunarOrbit on Jun 10, 2007 23:51:45 GMT -4
Unfortunately I can't split topics, but otherwise I agree it's a good idea.
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