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Post by Jason on Feb 11, 2008 16:42:00 GMT -4
Mistreatment exempts someone from guilt for the deaths of almost 3,000 civilians?
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Post by Retrograde on Feb 11, 2008 16:46:15 GMT -4
Mistreatment exempts someone from guilt for the deaths of almost 3,000 civilians? Guilt in the legal sense? If the issue is brought up, we'll find out when we hear the verdicts. If their defence lawyers are any good, I expect them to go free on account of the way prisoners are treated at Camp Delta. We'll find out. But from the other info posted here (I haven't checked the original sources), it sounds like they will be tried in military courts, where the rules of procedure, etc. are different.
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Post by Jason on Feb 11, 2008 16:48:46 GMT -4
The U.S. Government wouldn't be moving to charge them and seek the death penalty unless they were satisfied that they have a strong case. I think the likelyhood that they won't be executed is very small at best.
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Post by Retrograde on Feb 11, 2008 16:53:27 GMT -4
The U.S. Government wouldn't be moving to charge them and seek the death penalty unless they were satisfied that they have a strong case. I think the likelyhood that they won't be executed is very small at best. Well, maybe, but we do have some examples where the US government did things based on evidence that turned out not to be quite as airtight as was thought at first...
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Post by Al Johnston on Feb 11, 2008 16:54:36 GMT -4
So these tribunals are just kangaroo courts to rubber-stamp some lynching?
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Post by Jason on Feb 11, 2008 16:58:06 GMT -4
So these tribunals are just kangaroo courts to rubber-stamp some lynching? Do you think they're innocent?
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Post by Retrograde on Feb 11, 2008 17:32:26 GMT -4
So these tribunals are just kangaroo courts to rubber-stamp some lynching? Without a quote in your post, I'm not sure whom you're asking. If you're asking me, I don't know how they're run.
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Post by trevor on Feb 11, 2008 17:35:20 GMT -4
Surely they are presumed innocent first, then tried and convicted in the most unbiased lawful way, without any influence from public opinion and media hype.
If these guys, whether guilty or not get a fair trial, I'll be a monkey's uncle.
Look no offense to anyone but the US government can basically get any result they want to out of these trials. I probably sound like a CT but if they can invade a large middle eastern country without permission from the UN and a large chunk of the western world, I don't think a little thing like a trial is going to stop them doing whatever they want to these guys.
Justice must be seen to be done.
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Post by Jason on Feb 11, 2008 17:52:33 GMT -4
If these guys, whether guilty or not get a fair trial, I'll be a monkey's uncle. I don't know if the mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks and his accomplices could possibly receive a trial that was not somehow influenced by the fact that they will be tried for the most infamous crime of the 21st century (so far), but I'm sure they'll get as fair a trial as we can provide under the circumstances.
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Post by LunarOrbit on Feb 11, 2008 18:08:13 GMT -4
Surely they are presumed innocent first, then tried and convicted in the most unbiased lawful way, without any influence from public opinion and media hype. I'm not sure which is worse: a public trial with all of the media hype that goes with it, or a trial that is almost completely out of the public eye like a military tribunal. Either way it seems unfair to the defendant to me. How can we be sure the defendant has been treated fairly if we don't get to hear the case against him?
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Post by Jason on Feb 11, 2008 18:12:33 GMT -4
From the report I saw the press will be allowed to attend the trial.
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Post by Al Johnston on Feb 11, 2008 18:15:22 GMT -4
So these tribunals are just kangaroo courts to rubber-stamp some lynching? Do you think they're innocent? They may be, and the best of jurisprudence would involve the assumption that they are until such time as adequately examined evidence has proven otherwise beyond reasonable doubt.
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Post by wdmundt on Feb 11, 2008 18:28:51 GMT -4
If they are executed, it will most definitely happen before George Bush is out of office. The trial, as such, will use much information that can't be released for national security reasons. The world will view it distastefully, as it will look very much like the Bush Administration is getting rid of witnesses to its illegal acts.
It will be a black mark on the United States.
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Post by Jason on Feb 11, 2008 18:46:05 GMT -4
I think we should be more concerned with seeing justice done than with what the world thinks about us.
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Post by wdmundt on Feb 11, 2008 18:56:46 GMT -4
Only a fair, transparent trial would be justice. I doubt seriously if this will happen. So many details will be excluded from the public record that it will be anything but transparent.
And it does matter what the world thinks of us. That is a big problem a lot of us have with the Bush Administration.
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