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Post by frenat on May 3, 2006 23:00:50 GMT -4
Marvin Bush? You know he left that job a year before 911 and the company didn't handle all the security right? www.911myths.com/html/stratesec.htmlOr did your CT sites leave out that info because it didn't fit their theories?
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Post by PhantomWolf on May 4, 2006 2:49:48 GMT -4
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Post by 911: Inside Job on May 4, 2006 13:18:21 GMT -4
You know he left that job a year before 911 and the company didn't handle all the security right?That's not the point. The company had the security contract up to 9-11. And as your site points out, "Wirt Walker, another member of the Bush family, was President of the company through this time." So the Bush-tied company had full access to the buildings' structural and security details. And as you can read here: Heightened WTC Security Alert Had Just Been Lifted
The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday [September 11]. Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday [September 6], bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed. [NY NewsDay]
Pre-9/11 World Trade Center Power-Down
On the weekend of 9/8, 9/9 there was a 'power down' condition in WTC tower 2, the south tower. This power down condition meant there was no electrical supply for approx 36 hrs from floor 50 up... "Of course without power there were no security cameras, no security locks on doors and many, many 'engineers' coming in and out of the tower." The company had knowledge, access, and opportunity to plant the explosives.
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Post by twinstead on May 4, 2006 13:33:26 GMT -4
The company had knowledge, access, and opportunity to plant the explosives
36 hours, huh?
If you think somebody with access to the buildings had to 'plant the explosives' is all what would be needed to prepare those three buildings to be demolished then you just aren't paying attention, and frankly don't know squat about controlled demolitions.
There's so much more to it than that. You are just trying to shoehorn stuff into a poorly-defined conspiracy simply because those are things that have to have happened to make it true, a common conspiracist tactic that may work well on some woo woo forums, but I guarantee you will be called on it here.
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Post by sts60 on May 4, 2006 16:45:02 GMT -4
This is patently false. Anyone with any firefighting training can tell you that Class A fires, which involve wood, paper, etc., produce light-colored smoke (which can appear white in sunlight or against a dark background). Black smoke indicates a Class B fire - oil, rubber or other petroleum product.Yep. Which is why I laugh at the CT line "the fires were going out!" prior to the WTC collapse. Look at this "oxygen-starved" fire "going out" in Brooklyn: It is reasonable to expect burning Class A material to have fallen around the base of the towers following the aircraft impacts.You can get quite a variation in colors of smoke depending on the conditions. Not to mention water being poured upon a fire:
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Post by sts60 on May 4, 2006 16:48:57 GMT -4
As for the bit about thermite or explosives being planted, there is only innuendo. No evidence whatsoever of such activity, let alone all the work that would have to be done to plant such massive amounts of explosives (or thermite), let alone the fact that buildings are not prepared for demolition that way.
It's all FUD from the CTs. Nothing more.
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Post by lenbrazil on May 4, 2006 23:49:09 GMT -4
Heightened WTC Security Alert Had Just Been Lifted
The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday [September 11]. Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday [September 6], bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed. [NY NewsDay] So you think they were able to plant all the explosives in both towers in 4 days working secretly. LOL It takes weeks to prep much smaller buildings working openly. Also not all bomb sniffing dogs were removed from the towers. At least one died there in the collapse. www.novareinna.com/bridge/sirius.html[/blockquote][/quote] BS only one guy who CLAIMS he worked in the WTC said this. The story was not confirmed by anyone else and doesn't make sense www.911myths.com/html/wtc_power_down.html
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Post by lenbrazil on May 4, 2006 23:56:31 GMT -4
OK Inside Job and Feel Free I have a challege for you guys. See if you can find any references from authoritative sources mentioning thermite or similar materials being used in controled demo.
Happy hunting.
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Post by lenbrazil on May 5, 2006 0:00:05 GMT -4
h So the Bush-tied company had full access to the buildings' structural and security details. It's doubtful that the company would have had access to the structural details of the WTC and I'm not even sure they would have had access to all the complex's security details. Provide evidence they did. Doubtful Knowledge - As said there is no reason tobelieve they had access to the the buildings blueprints. Also it is an electronic security company not a structural engineering or demolition company access, and opportunity - I doubt employees of the electronic security company had unfettered access through out the towers. Prvide evidence they did.
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Post by feelfree222 on May 5, 2006 3:11:30 GMT -4
OK Inside Job and Feel Free I have a challege for you guys. See if you can find any references from authoritative sources mentioning thermite or similar materials being used in controled demo. Happy hunting. LOL LOL! why preparing the WTC's for a conventional controled demolition? A controled demolition is used for limitating the "colateral" damages right? What were the opportunities to access the basement for the installation of thermite... www.physics911.net/thermite.htm" The first attack on the WTC towers in 1993, in the basement of the complex, offered an opportunity for access and "repair" to demolition experts and construction personnel. Thermite is a relatively safe compound, requiring high temperature to initiate reaction - a magnesium fuse is commonly used. We will probably never know exactly what sequence of events unfolded to culminate in the WTC collapses of 11 September 2001."
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Post by feelfree222 on May 5, 2006 3:20:11 GMT -4
Pre-9/11 World Trade Center Power-Down
On the weekend of 9/8, 9/9 there was a 'power down' condition in WTC tower 2, the south tower. This power down condition meant there was no electrical supply for approx 36 hrs from floor 50 up... "Of course without power there were no security cameras, no security locks on doors and many, many 'engineers' coming in and out of the tower."
Lenbrazil wrote
Thermobaric bombs dont need lot of time to be installed ;D
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Post by twinstead on May 5, 2006 5:22:09 GMT -4
Difficult to find evidence than thermite can be used at the basement for weakening the central core pillars after all the steel not needed for the elaboration of the official story was removed and destroyed.The "we can't provide any evidence for our theory not because it's not a viable theory, but because the big bad evil government destroyed it" is a pretty weak, desperate argument.
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Post by lenbrazil on May 5, 2006 10:40:15 GMT -4
Pre-9/11 World Trade Center Power-Down
On the weekend of 9/8, 9/9 there was a 'power down' condition in WTC tower 2, the south tower. This power down condition meant there was no electrical supply for approx 36 hrs from floor 50 up... "Of course without power there were no security cameras, no security locks on doors and many, many 'engineers' coming in and out of the tower." The power down story is BS see above. See if you can provide some evidnce to back this claim, i.e. that a reletively small number of easily installed thermobaric bombs could have felled the towers.
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Post by lenbrazil on May 5, 2006 10:44:56 GMT -4
OK Inside Job and Feel Free I have a challege for you guys. See if you can find any references from authoritative sources mentioning thermite or similar materials being used in controled demo. Happy hunting. LOL LOL! why preparing the WTC's for a conventional controled demolition? A controled demolition is used for limitating the "colateral" damages right? What were the opportunities to access the basement for the installation of thermite... www.physics911.net/thermite.htm" The first attack on the WTC towers in 1993, in the basement of the complex, offered an opportunity for access and "repair" to demolition experts and construction personnel. Thermite is a relatively safe compound, requiring high temperature to initiate reaction - a magnesium fuse is commonly used. We will probably never know exactly what sequence of events unfolded to culminate in the WTC collapses of 11 September 2001." So you and grimmer think they had been planning this since '93 LOL. I asked for a reference to thermite being used in demolition, I'm still waiting. Just because a solar energy researcher says it can be used that way doesn't mean it's true.
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Post by lenbrazil on May 5, 2006 10:55:04 GMT -4
Much has been made of the pools of molten metal supposedly found at ground zero. It should be noted that most quotes are 2nd or third hand and that molten can also mean "glowing hot" but there probably was fair quantities of molten metal at the WTC site Partial list of metals with melting points less than 1000 C - the maximum tempreture of non ppressurized hydrocarbon fires. Admittedly a lot of these probably weren’t present in the Twin Towers (at least not in significant quantities) but others undoubtedly were. Elements -Symbol -Melting Point Celsius -Melting Point Fahrenheit Bronze (90 Cu 10 Sn) -Cu+Sn -850-1000 -1562-832 Brass (85 Cu 15 Zn) -Cu+Zn -900-940 -1652-1724 Tin -Sn -232 -450 Lead -Pb -327 -621 Zinc -Zn -419 -786 Aluminum -Al -659 -1218 Magnesium -Mg -670 -1240 Silver -Ag -961 -1762 www.muggyweld.com/melting.htmlElement/symbol – Melting point Celsius Arsenic, As- 817 Barium, Ba- 725 Bismuth, Bi- 271.3 Calcium, Ca- 837 - 841 Cadmium, Cd- 321 Cerium, Ce- 795 Californium, Cf- 900 Einsteinium, Es- 860 Europium, Eu- 817 - 827 Germanium, Ge- 937.4 Lanthanum, La- 915 - 925 Magnesium, Mg- 648.3 – 649.3 Neptunium, Np- 637 Polonium, Po- 254 Praseodymium, Pr- 927 - 935 Plutonium, Pu- 640 Radium, Ra- 700 Antimony, Sb- 630.74 Selenium, Se- 220 Strontium, Sr- 770 Tellurium, Te- 449.5 Thallium, Tl- 304 Ytterbium, Yb- 824 Tumbaga-860 Muntz Metals 875 - 900 www.matweb.com/search/SearchProperty.asp (this database found 1795 metals with melting points under 1000 C but would only show the first 1000, they list hudereds of varieties each of copper, brass, bronze aluminium etc.) Babbitt-480 F www.engineershandbook.com/Tables/meltingpoints.htmBabbitt is used in many elevator components one of the reports of molten metal was from elevator shafts each tower had over 100 elevators
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