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Post by lenbrazil on Jun 8, 2006 14:02:09 GMT -4
That is very disappointing: you'd think the author of Yes we have no neutrons could apply the same rigorous thought to 9/11 as he did to cold fusion Did he really slag cold fusion? Funny then that he is know hooked up with Steve Jones. ;D ;D ;D He is a convert to Islam, I wonder if that clouded his judgement. There are several non-American coverts who are 9/11 CTist. I think they have a hard time accepting that followers of their adopted faith carried out such dastardly acts in the name of their share religion. It'ns must easier to believe it was the evil Americans. The fact that Americans have an evil president makes it that much easier to believe. It wouldn't surprise me too much if Bush were capable of such a deed but the evidence for an inside job or LIHOP just isn't there
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Post by SpitfireIX on Jun 8, 2006 14:55:23 GMT -4
AK Dewdney? Dang, I really enjoyed his computer column in Scientific American. I'm saddened to hear that he's ventured far out of his field of expertise and is making a [fill in word] of himself. Yes, it's very sad--I used one of his articles (Core War) as an idea for my senior project in high school. Edit to add: And how ironic, since Wikipedia lists Yes, We Have No Neutrons: An Eye-Opening Tour through the Twists and Turns of Bad Science (1997). ISBN 0471295868 as one of his books.I remember seeing a segment on some TV news program during the first Gulf War where they were discussing Noam Chomsky and his foaming-at-the-mouth radicalism. One of the guests characterized Chomsky as an example of someone who can be a respected expert in one field (linguistics), but turn out to be "a complete crank" in another (foreign policy). Note that Chomsky has characterized the September 11 attacks as a justifiable response to American "imperialism."
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Post by Al Johnston on Jun 8, 2006 15:14:21 GMT -4
Oh, hi there, Al. Great minds run in the same gutter, eh? Fred ;D And I really loved The PlaniverseHo hum "Look on my Works, ye mighty and despair!"
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Post by lenbrazil on Jun 8, 2006 16:06:41 GMT -4
Dewdney has conducted "experiments" flying in a light plane (not an airliner) over London, Ontario (not Washington, New York, or Pennsylvania), which he claims prove that cell phone calls from an airliner are virtually impossible. That's not the only problem with his tests. The plane he was in only flew to 8000 feet. At that altitude he had a 10 -20 % IIRC success rate. He used a mysterious mathematical formula to calculate infinitesimally small probabilities that calls could be completed higher up. Many of the calls were made from "AirPhones" The planes weren't always at cruise altitude and were flown at altitudes that even according to his tests had reasonably high success rates for a good part of the time they were hijacked. I imagine just about everyone on those planes had a cellphone and just about all of them would try to call a loved one and keep trying until they succeeded. We don't know how many calls didn't go through. Funny CT's claim they prefer the simplest solution Occam's razor etc. The technology to fake peoples voices pretty well does exist but even if I called a close friend's wife or mother and used a device to exactly mimic his voice I doubt I could convince them I was him let alone some one who'd only met him and not her a few times. I think these anomalies if anything authenticates the calls. Who is more likely to misspeak a spy who is under no pressure and had weeks to practice and think about what he (she) would say or a common citizen on a hijacked plane who just saw some fellow passengers get slashed to death, making what be his (her) last phone call to a loved one before dying alongside a group of strangers? . He also wrote a silly article in which he claimed Muslims don't carry out suicide attacks!!! I imagine most don't approve such tactics but then again the overwhelming majority of Christians don't approve murdering abortion providers and the overwhelming majority of Jews don't support the indiscriminate killing of Palestinians. There are unfortunately fanatics who justify these tactics in the name of those faiths.
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Post by lenbrazil on Jun 8, 2006 16:52:12 GMT -4
AK Dewdney? Dang, I really enjoyed his computer column in Scientific American. I'm saddened to hear that he's ventured far out of his field of expertise and is making a [fill in word] of himself. Edit to add: And how ironic, since Wikipedia lists Yes, We Have No Neutrons: An Eye-Opening Tour through the Twists and Turns of Bad Science (1997). ISBN 0471295868 as one of his books. Fred Maybe someday he'll come back to his senses and write chapters about Steve Jones and himself fora new edition!!!!
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Post by SpitfireIX on Jun 8, 2006 18:34:41 GMT -4
He is a convert to Islam, I wonder if that clouded his judgement.
I wondered that, too, but I didn't want to mention it for fear of appearing to be attempting to poison the well.
There are several non-American coverts who are 9/11 CTist. I think they have a hard time accepting that followers of their adopted faith carried out such dastardly acts in the name of their share religion. It'ns must easier to believe it was the evil Americans.
I think you may be onto something there. I know a couple of born Moslems and they don't have any problem accepting that there are a few of their coreligionists who could commit such an act. Similarly I, as a lifelong Christian, have no problem accepting that members of my faith have done terrible things in the name of Jesus, and will undoubtedly continue to do so in the future. This is simply human nature in an imperfect world.
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Post by gwiz on Jun 28, 2006 4:31:20 GMT -4
Interesting developments over on BAUT, where a Turbonium-type well-mannered conspiracy theorist called Brumsen has been holding a torch for Jones' group "Scholars for 911 Truth". Under pressure from other BAUT members Brumsen set up a forum to allow comment on S911T publications. S911T suspended Brumsen's membership, without explaining why. Brumsen then resigned. More information here.
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Post by lenbrazil on Jun 28, 2006 8:35:26 GMT -4
Interesting developments over on BAUT, where a Turbonium-type well-mannered conspiracy theorist called Brumsen has been holding a torch for Jones' group "Scholars for 911 Truth". Under pressure from other BAUT members Brumsen set up a forum to allow comment on S911T publications. S911T suspended Brumsen's membership, without explaining why. Brumsen then resigned. More information here. I assume you mean ST911 Which is run by Fetzer and Jones. Brumsen is still listed as the moderator/administrator of the forum of a satellite group, www.atfreeforum.com/911studies/index.php?sid=3101c505cc81ffebc2d549c36d2162d3&mforum=911studiesLen
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jun 28, 2006 17:56:48 GMT -4
That's the forum he setup that to discuss the SfT911 publications.
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Post by Moon Man on Dec 13, 2006 16:18:15 GMT -4
There are videos made, some of them broadcast on Al Jazerra, that show that there is no conspiracy. They show the words and comments of the hijackers. Of course, CT's will tell you that they are fake and part of the conspiracy. But there is a lot more. For instance, now I see that the family members of the hijackers have made videos. clearinghouse.infovlad.net/showthread.php?p=13141At what point does the circle of people and technology involved in a conspiracy get too big and pops and falls apart into the realm of impossible for all practical purposes? Since 9 of the 19 hijackers are still alive why is the gov still claiming it was these 19 hijackers? Hijackers update. www.team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewforum.php?23
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Post by frenat on Dec 13, 2006 18:21:24 GMT -4
Since there have been no reports of live hijackers since the official list was released shortly after 911, and after the few stories there were, and Saudi Arabia publicly admitted that 15 of the hijackers were their citizens (which they would not do if they were still alive) then we can conclude that the few stories of "still alive hijackers" were cases of mistaken identity with people with similar names. www.911myths.com/html/still_alive.html
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Post by 3onthetree on Dec 16, 2006 6:44:31 GMT -4
The 911 conspiracy is incredibly elaborate, it involves members of all American political parties, the media, government agencies as well as allied nations. The best place to see the evidence of this conspiracy is at this site. wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm
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