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Post by lionking on Jul 10, 2006 11:41:48 GMT -4
frankly I haven't read enough about this topic, but I keep an open mind about it. I watched a documentary about Osama Bin Laden and his relationship to the Bush family which particularly lead me to suspect everything. Of course, I don't say it is conclusive proof, but... consider what they said. The Pepsi we guys are drinking has a material called in arabic "Somgh Arabi" (don't know its translation). This material is being imported from a company whose Osama is the owner. They said also that the companies that rebuilt the demolished stuff on other attacks by Bin Laden, either Bush or Bin Laden benefit from it (can't recall). They said Bush and Bin Laden met at the same day, 11 september. I think they also said that when Bin Laden was sick, an American Holicopter carried him to the hospital (if it wasn't said by them, I heard this from many ppl). They spoke about the oil deals the two have done with each other. Now Bin Laden was working for them previously, so I can understand that they lead him to fight the Russians, then everything changed, but why would they still import that Somgh Arabi matter from him, if they don't deal with him anymore. Of course, as I said, this is food-for-thought, nothing is certain, although I tend more to believe it has some conspiracy, like they Americans knew about it and they let him do it, so they can invest politically in it later on. This doesn't mean that they dealt with him directly, but only knew about it and let him do it. Again, nothing is certain.
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Post by lionking on Jul 10, 2006 11:51:19 GMT -4
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Post by echnaton on Jul 10, 2006 11:59:44 GMT -4
That’s probably Gum Arabic in English. It is a very common food additive. According to Wikipedia, the US State Department said that bin Laden sold his interest in the Sudanese company that produced Gum Arabic after he was expelled from that country in 1996. These documentaries you watch seem to blend facts and rumor quite well.
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Post by lionking on Jul 10, 2006 12:15:49 GMT -4
It has been so long that I watched the documentary. Anyways, read the above site. It has interesting info.
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Post by Jason on Jul 10, 2006 12:25:35 GMT -4
The website doesn't have any sources for its information. How can we verify any of this?
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Post by lionking on Jul 10, 2006 13:29:17 GMT -4
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Post by Jason on Jul 10, 2006 13:48:15 GMT -4
The resources are a collection of other conspiracist sites or information sources (such as the report of the 9/11 commission or Snopes.com) that directly contradict the speculation on the main page.
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Post by lionking on Jul 10, 2006 14:03:54 GMT -4
give examples that we can discuss
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Post by Jason on Jul 10, 2006 14:36:27 GMT -4
Well, the report of the 9/11 commission is the official story that all those conspiracy theorists are trying to find alternates to. And Snopes.com debunks the idea that something other than a passenger liner struck the Pentagon.
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Post by lionking on Jul 10, 2006 14:47:03 GMT -4
when we do researches, we should give different sources for our info to give it credibility. this is exactly what they have done. they can take things as said by the gov. to find certain gaps in them, or to see them from another perspective
as for the missile that hit the Pentagon, they are just saying what conspiracy theorists say, i.e rumors, without proving or disproving it. The title is: Conspiracy Industry. Note also that they said: "The fifth estate found NO credible evidence in the public domain to prove the U.S. government had any specific advance knowledge of exactly what would happen on September 11, 2001.
And many conspiracy theories seem like a waste of time. They depend on questionable characters like Mike Vreeland or involve wild allegations like those of Thierry Meyssan.
But many of these theories are based, at least in part, on legitimate questions that have remained unanswered since September 11th." regards
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Post by lionking on Jul 10, 2006 14:54:36 GMT -4
by the way, Snopes says that it is true that "The winning numbers in a New York state lottery drawing on 11 September 2002 were 9-1-1. (12 September 2002) "
strange !!
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Post by lionking on Jul 10, 2006 15:05:53 GMT -4
Maybe, but I have read also that a mossad agent had the camera that filmed the other plane, which indicates that they knew about it. . Do you believe this to be true? Do you believe everything you read? ""ISRAELI INTELLIGENCE In early 2001, the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) notices evidence of an Israeli art student spy ring operating in the U.S. Working in small groups, the students go door-to-door selling art. When the DEA interview some of the students, they discover they are often the sons and daughters of high officials in the Israeli military and many have intelligence training. " www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/intelligence.htmlechnaton, if Israelis kept on following what they suspect, which they usually do, then it is very probable that they knew about the attck, and that the camera man was one from the, as I have heard.
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Post by Jason on Jul 10, 2006 15:09:13 GMT -4
So you agree with me that the only credible information sources on the link you posted are the ones that support the official story?
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Post by Jason on Jul 10, 2006 15:16:49 GMT -4
Incidently, Snopes also debunks the folded $20 that started this thread.
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Post by lionking on Jul 10, 2006 15:32:32 GMT -4
They have put links to intelligence memos www.thememoryhole.org/911/phoenix-memo/ in www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/report.html . I am trying to say is that they used the evidence from US reports to convict them. "Sept. 11/2001 The attack occurs. The morning of the attack George Bush Sr. is meets with members of the Carlyle Group in Washington. Bin Laden's own brother is at the meeting. Members of the Bin Laden family are allowed to leave the U.S. without questioning two days later." Now that's important info. Bin Laden's brother and his family....family went with no questioning.. like I said, food for thought
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