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Post by echnaton on Aug 9, 2006 9:37:27 GMT -4
The WTC conspiracy theory and Loose Change made it to National Public Radio this morning. They interviewed the film’s creator, who went through the usual conspiracy lines including claiming that the reaction to his film proves that he must be onto something. What exactly he was onto he was unsure about because he readily acknowledged that his version of WTC events could be incorrect. The most important thing was that the government was lying to us.
He noted that his audience is very politically diverse, including Democrats, Republicans and non politically affiliated people in addition to the usual conspiracy theorists. In this respect he said the film had viral qualities that made it spread such a diverse audience. I think we could all agree it is a symptom of a sickness.
The rebuttal to this lunacy was made by a man who discussed the phenomenon of conspiracy from the position of a historian. He stated that CT ascribe and unreasonably high amount of competency to people in government and that conspiracies quickly become unraveled. The description fit Turbonium just as well as the Loose Change.
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Post by yodaluver28 on Aug 9, 2006 21:46:54 GMT -4
The exposure this piece of trash is getting worries me. Normally I'm a big believer in sunlight being the best disinfectant for this kind of thing, but unfortunately it appears that there are far too few actual journalists who do their homework when interviewing people like this moviemaker. As a result, they get softballed and they're never made to answer the serious questions about the validity of their "research" and the motives behind their agenda and those too ignorant to understand the frivolous nature of most of their charges hop on the bandwagon because they figure that if it's on TV "they must be on to something."
I have a noticed a kind of bi-partisanship in the 9/11 conspiracy theorists but it's not ordinary Democrats, Republicans, and Independents coming together over it. It appears to be an unsavory joining of hard-core activists on both the far-right (mostly anti-semitic, totally anti-government militia types) and the far-left (extreme anti-globalization and anti-business anarchists some of whom are also quite anti-semitic) along with the average pathologically cynical and ignorant conspiracy theorists who can't have a quart of milk expire in their refrigerator without them blaming it on the Illuminati, the Jews, the CIA, the Bilderbergs, the Zeti-Reticuli,etc.
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Post by scooter on Aug 12, 2006 15:47:10 GMT -4
Much as I want to throw things at the TV when they show up, the increasing visibility of the LC/911 "Truth" crowd could be a good thing. I was watching the CSPAN coverage a while back, it was more of a wacko political rally than a discussion of scientific theories. The whole movement really is more of a political action group. And the more they talk, the more folks will see them for what they are. Mind you, many of the less inquisitive out there may well be sucked in...that's the pain of a poorly educated populace, which is the direction the US seems headed.
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Post by Jason on Aug 14, 2006 10:50:55 GMT -4
I keep about a dozen nerf balls in a box by my chair to throw at the TV when needed.
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Post by echnaton on Aug 14, 2006 12:25:30 GMT -4
The hoax proponents are pretty transparent to those of use who have become educated on the 9/11 hoax, but we are a limited in number. My education on the whole of 9/11 is almost exclusively from this board and BAUT.
The attraction to the conspiracy crowd is that it offers excitement. This was quite apparent in the Loose Change interview in which despite the guys lack of confidence in his conclusions and the truth of the film claims, he was certain he was onto a big government lie. Exposing the lie was all that was important and all would soon be revealed by unraveling the conspiracy if enough people joined in. Typical conspiracy mongering, but this type of sophomoric attitude is attractive, particularly to youth. You also see this in a lot of religious movements. In contrast the debunker was more staid and reasoned, adding a historical and situational perspective. A position that was quite attractive to my middle aged ears, but doesn’t give you much to get stirred up about.
As far as the TV, I only catch brief bites while in the elevator (Fox) or in the locker room at the gym (CNN). My blood pressure won’t take much more than that.
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Post by bazbear on Aug 25, 2006 21:59:21 GMT -4
I have a noticed a kind of bi-partisanship in the 9/11 conspiracy theorists but it's not ordinary Democrats, Republicans, and Independents coming together over it. It appears to be an unsavory joining of hard-core activists on both the far-right (mostly anti-semitic, totally anti-government militia types) and the far-left (extreme anti-globalization and anti-business anarchists some of whom are also quite anti-semitic) along with the average pathologically cynical and ignorant conspiracy theorists who can't have a quart of milk expire in their refrigerator without them blaming it on the Illuminati, the Jews, the CIA, the Bilderbergs, the Zeti-Reticuli,etc. Taking this thread off track for a moment, I've noticed the anti-semitism at both ends of the spectrum as well. Why is this? Are the Jews just a tried-and-true target for blame and hate? From my own experience dealing with people of Hebrew faith and/or background, I'd have to say if they were secretly running the world, I'd think it would be running a whole lot smoother!
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Post by gillianren on Aug 25, 2006 23:02:52 GMT -4
I keep about a dozen nerf balls in a box by my chair to throw at the TV when needed. We have a Nerf dart gun for just such a purpose. (Well, and my boyfriend bought one as a gift and couldn't resist buying another for his own use.)
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