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Post by Glom on Aug 24, 2006 8:27:05 GMT -4
Some are questioning the Red Cross ambulance strike.If you scroll to claim 2, they point to the apparent rust as evidence the damage had not happened when everyone said it did, but long before. Questions about this article: 1) Is that browning actually rust or could it be something else relating to a weapons strike? 2) If it is rust, could the weapons strike have accelerated the rusting process?
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Post by phunk on Aug 24, 2006 10:13:59 GMT -4
Rust can happen in a matter of minutes under the right conditions (eg brake rotors), but it's hard to say anything about the age of some rust from a couple pictures online.
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Post by lionking on Aug 24, 2006 12:34:14 GMT -4
that massacre was recorded, with the father holding his dead daughter with blod everywhere, and everbody crying. He was interviewed later on with his remaining children, and enough is enough. He just breaks the heart. Israel can't do but say they thaught it was for Hizbollah, or even that the incident didn't happen.
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Post by lionking on Aug 24, 2006 12:53:48 GMT -4
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Post by Glom on Aug 24, 2006 14:02:55 GMT -4
Rust can happen in a matter of minutes under the right conditions (eg brake rotors), but it's hard to say anything about the age of some rust from a couple pictures online. Would a weapons strike be one of those rght conditions?
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Post by lenbrazil on Aug 24, 2006 14:08:05 GMT -4
Rust can happen in a matter of minutes under the right conditions (eg brake rotors), but it's hard to say anything about the age of some rust from a couple pictures online. Would a weapons strike be one of those rght conditions? The question of rust a side the guy makes a pretty convincing case that the missle strike was a hoax. Anybody see any holes in his arguments? Len
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Post by jaydeehess on Aug 24, 2006 14:17:08 GMT -4
Yes, high heat will cause rapid oxidation of iron(steel). Rusting is simply the slow oxidation of iron.
There is nothing unusual about the pictures being caused by a missile.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Aug 24, 2006 19:05:44 GMT -4
Yes, high heat will cause rapid oxidation of iron(steel). Rusting is simply the slow oxidation of iron.
There is nothing unusual about the pictures being caused by a missile.
Trouble is, that while high heat does cause rapid rusting, it also leaves other signs, buring, scorching, blistered paint, none of which are apparent. I have to admit, when I first saw the pictures I did think it surprising that there was so little damage, but the reports seemed pretty confident, and with no evience to the contray I accepted the reporting, aftyer all one assumes that the reporters are doing their job properly, and when you watch a number of news sources who all report the same story regardless of their political leanings, it adds authenticity to the claims. However, seeing the photos, I'd have to question them. There is no evidence that I can see of a fire in that ambulance, nor an explosion capable of throwing a person 15-25' through the air. The interior of the Ambulance is still almost totally intact and unscathed.
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Post by bazbear on Aug 24, 2006 22:13:36 GMT -4
I don't know what hit this ambulance, but an Israeli air launched missile seems unlikely in the extreme. Even one with a dud warhead should have caused more damage to the interior; a fully functional one would have left the entire vehicle a twisted, charred hulk.
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Post by jaydeehess on Aug 24, 2006 23:31:48 GMT -4
That's what I get for not going beyond the first pics of the ambulance's roof.
The lack of interior damage from blast and fire clinches it for me. This is a hoax, unless Israel is dropping chunks of ice on ambulances.
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Post by Al Johnston on Aug 25, 2006 5:35:02 GMT -4
Looks like some sort of fragmentation/shrapnel warhead went off above it rather than an explosive warhead within it.
So, the story as told doesn't add up, but that doesn't necessarily make it a hoax either.
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Post by lionking on Aug 25, 2006 6:09:40 GMT -4
I can definitely see black as a sign of burning on the top.
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Post by lionking on Aug 25, 2006 17:37:50 GMT -4
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Post by bazbear on Aug 25, 2006 21:38:08 GMT -4
Looks like some sort of fragmentation/shrapnel warhead went off above it rather than an explosive warhead within it. So, the story as told doesn't add up, but that doesn't necessarily make it a hoax either. Maybe, but the video and photo evidence certainly seems to indicate, to me, that the ambulance crew have seriously embellished their story (at the least). Edit: I do agree it looks more like an exterior blast from a frag weapon, most likely a hand grenade. Just my opinion though.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Aug 26, 2006 2:20:48 GMT -4
While interesting, I'd note that the rebutal by e&p (linked to by lionking) really seems to contain nothing of substance and just a bunch of ad hominems really.
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