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Post by frenat on Feb 24, 2007 13:18:20 GMT -4
David/Rocky is becoming more and more troll-like every day. It is almost cute.
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Post by Apollo Gnomon on Feb 24, 2007 15:58:10 GMT -4
Almost. But not quite.
I just wish the Illuminati would get Direct Depost going for us "disinformationists." I'm tired of picking up brown bags of small bills from some trenchcoat in a park.
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Post by rocky on Feb 24, 2007 16:36:37 GMT -4
I guess I should have been a little clearer. worcester.indymedia.org/news/2006/12/6795_comment.phpIf you look at the picture and look at his post, you'll see that he seems to be making up what he says as he goes along. He doesn't seem to have any experience cuuting steel with a torch and he's analyzing the picture. At first he thought that the worker melted a hole in the steel before he gave it the oxygen. That's not how it's done at all. All that's necessary is to get the steel red-hot. When oxygen is applied, the burning starts. Nobody applies the heat without oxygen in one spot long enough to melt a hole in the steel with sheer heat. He tried to analyze something he he had no experience in. Why would anybody do that if he weren't a disinfo agent? We're still waiting for your analyses of the evidence presented at the beginning of this thread. video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8172271955308136871video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8989407671184881047&q=9%2F11When evidence is presented, the side that holds the opposite opinion is supposed to give a rebuttal.
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Post by scooter on Feb 24, 2007 16:47:55 GMT -4
David, how many 4 inch thick steel plates have you cut with a torch?
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Post by frenat on Feb 24, 2007 17:26:58 GMT -4
And also, how does one make thermite cut horizontally, a substance which burns and cuts downward or vertically.
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Post by twinstead on Feb 24, 2007 20:10:52 GMT -4
And also, how does one make thermite cut horizontally, a substance which burns and cuts downward or vertically. And, how does one declare that a cut that is horizontal is a hallmark of thermite?
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Post by gillianren on Feb 25, 2007 4:34:00 GMT -4
I imagine you refer to painful knees? My mom has that too. Yeah, arthritic ones. A few years ago, my mother told me they were "almost that bad" when she was my age, and mine are deteriorating faster than hers. I'm taking a glucosamine pill every night, and they're failing much slower than they were before. It's something, but not much. David, seriously. I'm not claiming Steven Jones is objective, so I don't have to show it. You are, so you do. It's on you. You have to present a case, in your own words, and soon. I'm tired of you. I'm tired of your bias. I'm tired of your accusations that we're lying. I'm tired of you ignoring evidence that doesn't meet your worldview. I'm tired of you ignoring that, of all the people here, I have the most pressing reason to oppose illegal government actions leading us into war. Steven Jones demonstrably knows less about the way the real world works than I do. So do you. You think you know more; you are wrong. People don't behave the way you want them to in order to make your ideas fit. And, when you get right down to it, governments and corporations are made of people. Some are corrupt, but you cannot extrapolate that to mean that they all are.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Feb 25, 2007 9:37:23 GMT -4
That's going to take a lot of research time. If you know, would you mind just posting it?
No, it'd take you about 10 minutes on Google..
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Post by Al Johnston on Feb 25, 2007 10:07:24 GMT -4
That's going to take a lot of research time. If you know, would you mind just posting it?No, it'd take you about 10 minutes on Google.. Ironic he won't do that, yet expects everyone else to watch hours of his videos...
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Post by rocky on Feb 25, 2007 11:44:05 GMT -4
I looked around and I still can't figure out the point you're trying to make. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SteelYou should at least explain what point you're making. You people are doing a good job of avoiding having to confront the overwhelming evidence in those videos that controlled demolition brought down the towers.
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Post by grashtel on Feb 25, 2007 13:39:33 GMT -4
Have you tried Tripleflex? I'm taking a glucosamine pill every night, and they're failing much slower than they were before. It's something, but not much. What dosage and is it just straight Glucosamine or does it it have Chondroitin as well?
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Post by gillianren on Feb 25, 2007 15:03:35 GMT -4
Both; 1500 mg.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Feb 25, 2007 17:01:38 GMT -4
I looked around and I still can't figure out the point you're trying to make. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel You should at least explain what point you're making.Did you bother to read this very link? Let me highlight portions for you. Other materials are often added to the iron-carbon mixture to tailor the resulting properties. Nickel and manganese in steel add to its tensile strength and make austenite more chemically stable, chromium increases the hardness and melting temperature, and vanadium also increases the hardness while reducing the effects of metal fatigue. Large amounts of chromium and nickel (often 18% and 8%, respectively) are added to stainless steel so that a hard oxide forms on the metal surface to inhibit corrosion.HSLA steel (high strength, low alloy) have small additions (usually <2% by weight) of other elements, typically 1.5% manganese, to provide additional strength for a modest price increase.Stainless steels and surgical stainless steels contain a minimum of 10% chromium, often combined with nickel, to resist corrosion (rust).The Point: Steven Jones claims as one of his "proofs" of Themate is that his chemical testing revealed the presence of Manganese in the steel. He claims that structural steel does not contain manganese but rather chromium and so the manganese must have come from an additional source, Permanganate, which is used with Barium as a binder in Thermate. (NB: He didn't find any Barium in his tests!) However as you can see from the quotes taken from the article you linked too (and if you look for it you'll find it confirmed in plenty of other places) high strength steels such, as structural steel, use manganese to get them that strength (it's a sulphur reducing metal so removes the effects that sulpher has on the steel) and yet Jones makes exactly the opposite claim. Not only that he states that structural steel contains chromium, again wrong, since this is Stainless Steel. If the man doesn't know the difference between Structural Steel and Stainless Steel and errorously uses his ignorance in the matter to base his entire premise of the use of Thermate, how can you trust his work in any way or form?
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Post by scooter on Feb 25, 2007 19:31:09 GMT -4
Thanks for that explanation PW. I know diddly about metalurgy, but will not brand you a stooge and plant because of my ignorance. Some of it is familiar (chromium for hardness...a common process for moving motor parts). Now, David, is this explanation adequate? If not, what further study will WE do to confirm it?
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Post by twinstead on Feb 25, 2007 19:35:18 GMT -4
Now, David, is this explanation adequate? If not, what further study will WE do to confirm it? Yea, I noticed that we are somehow required to do his work for him too. Typical.
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