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Post by feelfree222 on Mar 3, 2007 17:43:34 GMT -4
sts60 you should do a search if that system exist or not before making any comments you can regret later. 911blimp.net/aud_BushImplicatesBush.shtml"The U.S. has a branch of the Defense Department not many folks know of, the Defense Information Systems Agency, or DISA. These are the folks who make it possible for generals to see live battlefield images and nosecone videos in real-time from around the globe via satellite. They are also responsible for bringing images of this type to POTUS. Here is their mission statement: The Defense Information Systems Agency is a combat support agency responsible for planning, engineering, acquiring, fielding, and supporting Global Net-Centric Solutions and operating the Defense Information System Network to serve the needs of the President, Vice President, the Secretary of Defense, and the other DoD Components, under all conditions of peace and war."
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Post by Alliterative Andy on Mar 3, 2007 17:48:45 GMT -4
According to CT, what kind of explosive(s) brought down 7 WTC, anyway?
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Post by frenat on Mar 3, 2007 18:06:48 GMT -4
Don't we know exactly where Bush was at all times that day? I mean, what was he doing at the exact moment the first plane hit? I thought he was in public view; how would he be able to watch a "private video feed" in front of a group of schoolchildren? He was in his limousine watching a very special closed circuit TV. The U.S. has a branch of the Defense Department not many folks know of, the Defense Information Systems Agency, or DISA. These are the folks who make it possible for generals to see live battlefield images and nosecone videos in real-time from around the globe via satellite. They are also responsible for bringing images of this type to POTUS. Here is their mission statement: The Defense Information Systems Agency is a combat support agency responsible for planning, engineering, acquiring, fielding, and supporting Global Net-Centric Solutions and operating the Defense Information System Network to serve the needs of the President, Vice President, the Secretary of Defense, and the other DoD Components, under all conditions of peace and war. Enjoy! 911blimp.net/aud_BushImplicatesBush.shtmlJust what benefit would Bush get from seeing it live? What is he going to do, steer the plane in himself? Isn't it a lot more likely that Bush just sucks royally at public speaking? Have you ever known him not to trip over his words several times a sentence?
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Post by frenat on Mar 3, 2007 18:40:30 GMT -4
Think about it. To believe that Bush saw it live, you have to believe there was a need and that he said exactly what he meant not only once but twice. And that he did this the second time after he would have certainly been corrected by someone the first time. To believe that he tripped over his words, you just have to believe that English is at best an imprecise language and Bush is an idiot. Well gee, most people believe that second part already!
What I mean about an imprecise language is he said he swa plane hit the tower. Hit is the same word whether present or past tense. So which did he mean? Did he mean he saw it hit live which is unlikely and stupid as there is no reason for it what soever, or did he mean he saw the news coverage that a plane had hit the towers as virtually everyone one else in the world did? Think about it.
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Post by frenat on Mar 3, 2007 19:13:59 GMT -4
Last point. To believe that he must have meant exactly what you think, you are assuming guilty until proven innocent. If that is how you really think then I hope that someday you get tried by a jury of your peers.
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Post by sts60 on Mar 3, 2007 20:26:18 GMT -4
sts60 you should do a search if that system exist or not before making any comments you can regret later. No, first of all you're thinking of someone else. I've made no remarks about that subject. Second, I don't need to do a search; for some of us, Google is not our court of first and only resort. I've been familiar with DISA for a long time. Part of my (former) job, not to mention I am a regular reader of Aviation Week & Space Technology and Space News - but they come on paper, not YouTube or EvilGovernmentConspiracy.com. Third, when it comes to it, I can tell Enemy of the State from real life. Among other thing, I've worked commercial satellite imaging and DoD missile warning projects. That's a general comment, not related to anything in particular here.
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Post by 911: Inside Job on Mar 3, 2007 20:40:06 GMT -4
3speed: The melting temperature of aluminum is less than 1000 degrees Kelvin, Copper melts at around 1300 K. The maximum possible temp for jet fuel is 2300K. Dry wood burns at 2100 K. So even if the supposed rivers of melted metal were really seen, they could easily be copper and aluminum from the wiring in the building, suspended ceiling hardware, conduit hardware, and maybe even the flaming airplane illegally parked upstairs. Doesn't explain the molten metal seen around the basement support columns before the collapse. I don't recall anybody here satisfactorily explaining the white smoke at the base of the tower rising shortly before the collapse. I think someone tried to pass it off as a video artifact. Not very convincing. So it's still very much an unexplained anomaly that's inconsistent with the official story.
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Post by yodaluver28 on Mar 3, 2007 21:07:08 GMT -4
Who saw "molten metal around the basement support columns" before the collapses?
How is smoke inconsistent with what was happening? The lobby was severely damaged by the crashes of the planes. Windows were broken, concrete and marble fixtures shattered, and jet fuel burned all the way down the elevators shafts into the lobby. There could be a thousand causes of smoke or dust coming from well under the impacts near the base of the buildings.
Thermite wouldn't cause that amount of smoke, nor would it cause molten metal anywhere. Thermite burns very hot but also burns out very quickly. It doesn't last long enough to melt metal and certainly wouldn't keep it melted for weeks. Thermite heats up quickly and cuts through metal with force, it doesn't burn or melt it with heat.
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Post by scooter on Mar 4, 2007 1:27:12 GMT -4
sts60 you should do a search if that system exist or not before making any comments you can regret later. 911blimp.net/aud_BushImplicatesBush.shtml"The U.S. has a branch of the Defense Department not many folks know of, the Defense Information Systems Agency, or DISA. These are the folks who make it possible for generals to see live battlefield images and nosecone videos in real-time from around the globe via satellite. They are also responsible for bringing images of this type to POTUS. Here is their mission statement: The Defense Information Systems Agency is a combat support agency responsible for planning, engineering, acquiring, fielding, and supporting Global Net-Centric Solutions and operating the Defense Information System Network to serve the needs of the President, Vice President, the Secretary of Defense, and the other DoD Components, under all conditions of peace and war." Uh, Bush misspoke...he's been known to do that. Now if you really believe this real time, watch it from the White House, Clear and Present Danger stuff...and believe it's current, well...go right ahead. I bet you think those AWD anti lock brake SUVs do great in icy roads too...
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Post by feelfree222 on Mar 4, 2007 1:48:33 GMT -4
This is from DISA official site What is the Global Command & Control System - Joint (GCCS-J)? full description here www.disa.mil/gccs-j/index.html (bold are mine) GCCS-J is the DOD joint C2 system of record for achieving full spectrum dominance. It enhances information superiority and supports the operational concepts of full-dimensional protection and precision engagement. GCCS-J is the principal foundation for dominant battlespace awareness, providing an integrated, near real-time picture of the battlespace necessary to conduct joint and multinational operations It fuses select C2 capabilities into a comprehensive, interoperable system by exchanging imagery, intelligence, status of forces, and planning information. GCCS-J offers vital connectivity to the systems the joint warfighter uses to plan, execute, and manage military operations.
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Post by turbonium on Mar 4, 2007 4:54:54 GMT -4
What I mean about an imprecise language is he said he swa plane hit the tower. Hit is the same word whether present or past tense. So which did he mean? Did he mean he saw it hit live which is unlikely and stupid as there is no reason for it what soever, or did he mean he saw the news coverage that a plane had hit the towers as virtually everyone one else in the world did? Think about it. It's quite clear what he meant - that he saw the plane hit live. Let's consider the two transcripts.... The first time was on Dec. 4, 2001.... QUESTION: One thing, Mr. President, is that you have no idea how much you've done for this country, and another thing is that how did you feel when you heard about the terrorist attack?
BUSH: Well...
(APPLAUSE)
Thank you, Jordan (ph).
Well, Jordan (ph), you're not going to believe what state I was in when I heard about the terrorist attack. I was in Florida. And my chief of staff, Andy Card -- actually I was in a classroom talking about a reading program that works. And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, "There's one terrible pilot." And I said, "It must have been a horrible accident."
But I was whisked off there -- I didn't have much time to think about it, and I was sitting in the classroom, and Andy Card, my chief who was sitting over here walked in and said, "A second plane has hit the tower. America's under attack."www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/12/text/20011204-17.htmlvideo.google.com/videoplay?docid=4841608667647433773The second time he said he saw the first plane hit the tower on TV was on Jan. 5, 2002... Q What was the first thing that went through your head when you heard that a plane crashed into the first building?
THE PRESIDENT: Yes. Well, I was sitting in a schoolhouse in Florida. I had gone down to tell my little brother what to do, and -- just kidding, Jeb. (Laughter.) And -- it's the mother in me. (Laughter.) Anyway, I was in the midst of learning about a reading program that works. I'm a big believer in basic education, and it starts with making sure every child learns to read. And therefore, we need to focus on the science of reading, not what may feel good or sound good when it comes to teaching children to read. (Applause.) I'm just getting a plug in for my reading initiative.
Anyway, I was sitting there, and my Chief of Staff -- well, first of all, when we walked into the classroom, I had seen this plane fly into the first building. There was a TV set on. And you know, I thought it was pilot error and I was amazed that anybody could make such a terrible mistake. And something was wrong with the plane, or -- anyway, I'm sitting there, listening to the briefing, and Andy Card came and said, "America is under attack."www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/01/text/20020105-3.htmlSo the first time he said... "I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on."And the second time he said.... "..well, first of all, when we walked into the classroom, I had seen this plane fly into the first building. There was a TV set on." So, as for what he meant by "hit"- it's really not a debatable issue. The second quote makes it quite clear what he meant. ___________________________________________________ You believe it is "..unlikely and stupid as there is no reason for it whatsoever". That's your opinion, which is fine. Whether or not it is "unlikely and stupid" is a matter open for personal debate. Since you don't believe 9/11 was an inside job, you may well think it's absurd to even consider it being true. But if you believe it was an inside job (which I do), then it seems quite reasonable that the President would be privy to a private video feed of the first hit. Compare the two times he recalled the events... It's virtually the same, in all details, which further validates his comments were not mistakes or mix-ups. Another thing I've heard - "Maybe he saw the second plane hit later on TV and mixed that up with the first plane hit." That doesn't hold up, either. He clearly said he saw the first plane hit, and was told about the second plane hit. The live CNN report of Bush being told about the second plane hit confirms this fact. In fact, as far as what the CNN video showed, it confirmed the comments to be true. Nothing Bush said was incorrect, or a mistake, or a mix-up. No video shows what Bush was doing just prior to entering the classroom. But everything else was on video afterwards, and his comments were 100% correct. It's true that Bush was a bumbling idiot on these two occassions. Not because he mixed up what he saw and did. But because he was too dense to clue in to the fact that he saw something that nobody else did see, or could have seen, on regular TV's that morning. Maybe he assumed his private video feed was not meant to be private, or he forgot that it was. We don't know, but it's not really important. Because it's further evidence of an inside job. It also makes it painfully clear that Bush was far from the mastermind of 9/11 - he was an inept moron. And, that even though they tried to keep him out of the way, he still managed to screw things up royally.
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Post by frenat on Mar 4, 2007 11:33:17 GMT -4
No,what he said is also easily interpreted as he saw the news coverage that showed the first plane had hit the WTC. It is also not clear where the TV was that he saw it on. It is very likely it was one of the multitude of TVs that they have in schools nowadays. It was huge news and was on every news channel so it is very likely he would have seen it on a TV outside the classroom but inside the school. In his first statement he uses the word hit which I have already mentioned is the same in both present and past tense. In the second statement he says "seen this plane fly" which is not good english no matter how you look at it and could still be interpreted to be a past tense of seeing the news coverage as in saw the news coverage that a plane few into the tower.
I notice you also avoided the reasoning of why he would need to see it anyway. What would he do with it? He's not going to steer it in himself is he? And just seeing it takes away any plausible deniability. And of course there is the why would he say it again if he really did screw up the first time, wouldn't somebody have warned him to not make the mistake again? Not to mention how do you keep so many people quiet about it? Not only do we have the people that set up the overall plan, but the people that set the demolition charges, those that set up this mysterious video feed, etc. How many hundreds of people are just content to kill over 3,000 people in your world and let it go without a second thought? How likely is that really? And if they could pull this off so well, why couldn't they fake a few canisters of chemical weapons in Iraq?
You assume I don't believe it an inside job because I think Bush is a moron that can't speak well? How pretentious of you. I do think there were some in the know (as in knew something would happen), perhaps even some that knew what would happen or even hired the hijackers. I don't believe that any demolitions were needed nor that Bush would need a private feed. Just how big a devious mastermind do you think he is that this can't go on without him watching it?
I hope you also someday get tried by a jury of your peers.
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Post by 911: Inside Job on Mar 4, 2007 12:42:59 GMT -4
frenat, whether it fits into your theories or not, Bush clearly said twice that he saw a plane strike the first tower. He didn't say he heard about a plane hit the tower, he saw it hit the tower. It's possible he confused in his mind seeing the video of the second plane with hearing about the first plane. It has nothing to do with his grammar, it has more to do with his memory of the events. I agree that they probably kept him out of the loop. Apparently Cheney was doing most of the decision-making from his bunker, such as making sure there were no timely intercepts to complicate matters.
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Post by 911: Inside Job on Mar 4, 2007 12:52:16 GMT -4
Who saw "molten metal around the basement support columns" before the collapses? Earlier in this thread I posted a link to an EMT's eyewitness account. Jet fuel burns with black smoke. Thermite burns with white smoke. Thermite produces molten metal as it eats through steel.
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Post by LunarOrbit on Mar 4, 2007 12:57:47 GMT -4
Oh, you mean the account from the anonymous EMT that can't be verified? How do we know it isn't a work of fiction?
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