lenbrazil
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Post by lenbrazil on Apr 6, 2007 11:18:37 GMT -4
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Post by Grand Lunar on Apr 6, 2007 13:18:18 GMT -4
I would say so, yes.
Its the degree of their bankruptcy that varies.
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Post by Jason on Apr 6, 2007 15:51:50 GMT -4
Anyone who feels their own elected government is capable of murdering thousands of innocents for the PR value probably has a serious problem with authority figures of any kind.
If you view the world as controlled by a mysterious "them" who are willing to go to any ends to reach their goals and who deceive the vast majority of your fellow citizens, then fighting them by any means, including killing those who hold contrary opinions, becomes more viable.
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Post by Data Cable on Apr 6, 2007 18:28:59 GMT -4
If you view the world as controlled by a mysterious "them" who are willing to go to any ends to reach their goals and who deceive the vast majority of your fellow citizens, then fighting them by any means, including killing those who hold contrary opinions, becomes more viable. Any organization capable of mass intimidation on the scale required by most conspiracy theories wouldn't need to, for example, destroy the WTC and falsely implicate arabs in order to build public support for going to war against arab states... they could just go ahead and do it anyway. |
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Post by Dead Hoosiers on Apr 7, 2007 11:53:42 GMT -4
Anyone who feels their own elected government is capable of murdering thousands of innocents for the PR value probably has a serious problem with authority figures of any kind. If you view the world as controlled by a mysterious "them" who are willing to go to any ends to reach their goals and who deceive the vast majority of your fellow citizens, then fighting them by any means, including killing those who hold contrary opinions, becomes more viable. Well, I do have a problem with authority figures. Authority figures who abuse their authority, that is. We've all read/heard the ever-increasing news of abusive police, teachers, employers and politicians. Why is it such a leap for you to believe this moral corruption doesn't extend to the highest level of government? If you know what the law says, then it isn't difficult to discern when those laws are being broken. Rather than making excuses for those in power just because they're in power, oughtn't we to hold them to an even higher standard because they're "in charge"? These authority figures are bound by laws and ought to know those laws and obey them. If you view the world as controlled by a mysterious "them" who are willing to go to any ends to reach their goals and who deceive the vast majority of your fellow citizens, then fighting them by any means, including killing those who hold contrary opinions, becomes more viable. The world IS controlled by a mysterious "them" who want most of us dead. They control the media so that you hear only what they want you to hear. They still haven't enough power to do what they want so, for now, they need to stay hidden, though they're getting bolder. Scripture tells us that it's only the power of God that keeps the evil one and his minions from bringing their plan to fruition, but He won't restrain forever. These people need to be exposed and brought to justice, but since they control the media, that's not going to happen. That same controlled media is adept at influencing opinions and beliefs to persuade the masses that those who condemn their actions are bad evil murdering grunts. They sold you on the idea. From there it's not a big step to killing truthers (and Christians) as a public service. The Book of Revelation tells us what's going to happen. Nothing we can do will change the fact that a one-world government led by the Antichrist is going to take power and destroy on an unprecedented level. Nobody is going to stop this from happening by murdering authority figures. What's needed is repentance on an individual level and turning to Christ so as to escape the coming judgment. It's a spiritual battle. |
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Post by Jason on Apr 7, 2007 12:41:54 GMT -4
Working with special interests, spinning the facts a little to make you look better, etc. is one thing. Actively conspiring to murder thousands of innocents for no real gain is something else entirely. It's simply an order of magnitude greater than the perfidity I can believe our elected leaders are capable of.
If you take the religious view, then it is God who has ultimate authority over the world, so it's more correct to say that the world is controlled by someone who will ultimately ensure that perfect justice is done to all, not by an evil, mysterious "them."
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Post by frenat on Apr 7, 2007 12:59:47 GMT -4
If there's a mysterious "them" that wants us all dead then who would they rule? Who would make things for them and keep the world running? Even if some were left to do that then the "them" become more visible because there are less to hide amongst. It would make a lot more sense to have more people around as they could hide better and more advances would be made to make their life better.
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Post by Grand Lunar on Apr 7, 2007 14:22:43 GMT -4
This assumes, of course, that this has any truth to it.
Do not forget the many other religions that exist. What precludes this one above all others?
And consider the chance that other civilizations exist on other worlds with their own religions. That adds to the problem.
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Post by Retrograde on Apr 7, 2007 14:46:12 GMT -4
This assumes, of course, that this has any truth to it. Do not forget the many other religions that exist. What precludes this one above all others? And consider the chance that other civilizations exist on other worlds with their own religions. That adds to the problem. Here is a website that's mostly about arguing with people about their religious beliefs. I already thought it was pretty futile, and my experience at the above-referenced site has reinforced this belief. . . ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by Retrograde on Apr 7, 2007 15:06:33 GMT -4
Anyone who feels their own elected government is capable of murdering thousands of innocents for the PR value probably has a serious problem with authority figures of any kind. If you view the world as controlled by a mysterious "them" who are willing to go to any ends to reach their goals and who deceive the vast majority of your fellow citizens, then fighting them by any means, including killing those who hold contrary opinions, becomes more viable. Within the last 100 years, we have had some examples of governments racking up casualty totals (among their open populations) of several tens of millions, on multiple occasions. There sometimes is a mysterious and sinister (or maybe just sinister) them in charge, and sometimes they were even elected, or if not elected, nonetheless enjoyed broad popular support. I don't believe the theories being advanced by some individuals here not because I think the government is too nice to do anything nasty, but because the evidence suggests that the theories are wrong. That said, one liar at this board, who is as pompous and condescending as he is empty headed, is the best argument against democracy I've ever seen. So the great irony here is, these people are slowly turning me into the mysterious and sinister them that they so abhor. . . |
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Post by Retrograde on Apr 7, 2007 15:09:14 GMT -4
Working with special interests, spinning the facts a little to make you look better, etc. is one thing. Actively conspiring to murder thousands of innocents for no real gain is something else entirely. It's simply an order of magnitude greater than the perfidity I can believe our elected leaders are capable of. I just posted on this, but my opinion is, advancing trust-based arguments plays right into the hands of the anti-truthers. Governments have done things much nastier than that, and some of them were elected. It's evidence, not trust, to which I would point. . . |
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Post by Dead Hoosiers on Apr 16, 2007 13:13:34 GMT -4
If there's a mysterious "them" that wants us all dead then who would they rule? Who would make things for them and keep the world running? Even if some were left to do that then the "them" become more visible because there are less to hide amongst. It would make a lot more sense to have more people around as they could hide better and more advances would be made to make their life better. They think they're going to rule a sustainable (manageable) population consisting mostly of grunts to do the heavy work (build for them and grow their food). You'd think they'd hide in a crowd and they have, so far. They're not so fearful of discovery anymore. It must be about time. They're psychotic. Check out the Georgia Guidestones: 1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature. How many people need to die to reach this goal? www.thegeorgiaguidestones.com/Message.htm |
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Post by frenat on Apr 16, 2007 18:22:05 GMT -4
If there's a mysterious "them" that wants us all dead then who would they rule? Who would make things for them and keep the world running? Even if some were left to do that then the "them" become more visible because there are less to hide amongst. It would make a lot more sense to have more people around as they could hide better and more advances would be made to make their life better. They think they're going to rule a sustainable (manageable) population consisting mostly of grunts to do the heavy work (build for them and grow their food). You'd think they'd hide in a crowd and they have, so far. They're not so fearful of discovery anymore. It must be about time. They're psychotic. Check out the Georgia Guidestones: 1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature. How many people need to die to reach this goal? www.thegeorgiaguidestones.com/Message.htmSounds like a bunch of BS to me. I really doubt they would be that stupid to believe a smaller population would be easier to manage. I guess it is proof that some people will believe almost anything no matter how asinine it is. |
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Post by Grand Lunar on Apr 17, 2007 12:28:41 GMT -4
If there's a mysterious "them" that wants us all dead then who would they rule? Who would make things for them and keep the world running? Even if some were left to do that then the "them" become more visible because there are less to hide amongst. It would make a lot more sense to have more people around as they could hide better and more advances would be made to make their life better. They think they're going to rule a sustainable (manageable) population consisting mostly of grunts to do the heavy work (build for them and grow their food). You'd think they'd hide in a crowd and they have, so far. They're not so fearful of discovery anymore. It must be about time. They're psychotic. Check out the Georgia Guidestones: 1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature. How many people need to die to reach this goal? www.thegeorgiaguidestones.com/Message.htmSomeone is psychotic alright....  |
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Post by lenbrazil on Apr 18, 2007 9:11:21 GMT -4
If there's a mysterious "them" that wants us all dead then who would they rule? Who would make things for them and keep the world running? Even if some were left to do that then the "them" become more visible because there are less to hide amongst. It would make a lot more sense to have more people around as they could hide better and more advances would be made to make their life better. They think they're going to rule a sustainable (manageable) population consisting mostly of grunts to do the heavy work (build for them and grow their food). You'd think they'd hide in a crowd and they have, so far. They're not so fearful of discovery anymore. It must be about time. They're psychotic. Check out the Georgia Guidestones: 1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature. How many people need to die to reach this goal? www.thegeorgiaguidestones.com/Message.htm And uuh do you have any evidence who errected the Guidestones? You seem to assume it was the NWO but in all likelyhood it was some eccentric. Check out your link the other inscriptions don't really fit with their agenda. |
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