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Post by wingerii on Aug 16, 2007 18:54:07 GMT -4
So this past weekend, I was at the Taste of the Danforth street festival in Toronto, and I glimpsed these guys: img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/WingerII/DSCN0221.jpgIt's sorta hard to tell from the picture, but the three guys in black are wearing "911Blogger.com" t-shirts and carrying signs that say things like "9/11=Inside Job", "Google Operation Northwoods", and "Google WTC7" (the shirtless guy was one of them, too -- it was a hot day). I wish I'd taken a better picture, but I'd rather eat more baklava than hang around snapping conspiracy "theorists". This was my first time encountering 9/11 CTs in the wild, and it was a bit of a sobering experience. I guess I've always managed to maintain a mental disconnect between the internet and Real Life, but now I've seen the faces behind the avatars, and I realize that these are real people leading real lives, no matter how paranoid or deluded. Part of me wanted to point and laugh, and part of me wanted to go over and give each of them a hug (minus the shirtless one). I kind of wish I'd picked up some of the literature they were handing out, if only for entertainment value.
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Post by scooter on Aug 16, 2007 23:45:45 GMT -4
I have always wondered...I know there are those who carry some doubts on things, but these "activists"...those with the time and energy to participate in these displays. Do they have lives? You know...jobs, families...bills? Or is this their life? I'd be curious as to their educational background, upbringing, current life situation. Maybe they just haven't got anything better to do...they get attention, good or bad...hey, cool!
In your face dude!!! I'm so weary of this...
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Post by LunarOrbit on Aug 17, 2007 0:10:03 GMT -4
I think most of the people who go to protests are there simply to stir up trouble and cause havoc. They don't know what they are protesting, they are just anarchists.
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Post by pzkpfw on Aug 17, 2007 2:11:17 GMT -4
That may also be why the actual CTers convince themselves they are the majority; it's because they are the ones talking about it.
The real majority are just getting on with their lives. (You know, as "sheeple".)
No one walks around with "Bin Laden organised it" T-shirts.
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Post by lenbrazil on Aug 17, 2007 6:28:42 GMT -4
I have always wondered...I know there are those who carry some doubts on things, but these "activists"...those with the time and energy to participate in these displays. Do they have lives? You know...jobs, families...bills? Or is this their life? I'd be curious as to their educational background, upbringing, current life situation. Maybe they just haven't got anything better to do...they get attention, good or bad...hey, cool! In your face dude!!! I'm so weary of this... I believe thay are all dupes of or participants in a "vast right-wing conspiracy" to make opponents of Bush, Blair, Howard, the Iraq War etc look like raving looneys and turn off centerists. ;D Ann Coulter said something like "Moderate Democrats think the WOT is a fraud the rest believe 9/11 was an 'inside job' "
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Post by lenbrazil on Aug 17, 2007 6:43:33 GMT -4
That may also be why the actual CTers convince themselves they are the majority; it's because they are the ones talking about it. They also convince themselves with: Internet polls. Along similar lines some report that Ron Paul is a/the leading Republican presidential candidate. Scientific polls that show that a majority of Americans believe things like the Gov't was saying everything it knew about the atacks of had infomation beforehand indicating an attack was forthcoming. IIRC 20% of respondents to a Scripts-Howard poll said it was "somewhat likely" the administration carried out the attacks or let them happen on purpose and 16% thought it was "very likely" the rest except for a few who didn't answer believed it was "unlikely". But 13 out of 20 people saying "no", 4 saying "maybe", 3 saying "yes" and 1 saying "I don't know" doesn't equal a majority. Maybe we, or at leat those of you living in English speaking countries, should!
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Post by BertL on Aug 17, 2007 15:09:03 GMT -4
The first (and only) 9/11 believer I ever met was a teacher. I thought he was a bad teacher before I found out he believed 9/11 is a government conspiracy.
Fahrenheit 9/11 was shown on Dutch TV here. It did have a rebuttal, but it was an incomplete one, mostly by engineers who hadn't encountered the arguments before. (One of the engineers got asked a question about the WTC7 falling down; from his reaction it was obvious he hadn't thought about the question. The answer he gave was a quite reluctant one going along the lines of "well, if it went down the way you say it did, it was possibly done with explosives".)
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Post by emcsq on Aug 23, 2007 13:50:16 GMT -4
I think most of the people who go to protests are there simply to stir up trouble and cause havoc. They don't know what they are protesting, they are just anarchists. With respect; isn't that an over-generalization? Many protesters feel passionately about injustice in various spheres. You wouldn't have the female vote today, if not for the Suffragettes chaining themselves to railings...just for example. Lack of protest spirit encourages fascism in the place of democracy. Or are you saying all our leaders should be automatically trusted all of the time?
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Post by Al Johnston on Aug 23, 2007 14:06:53 GMT -4
You wouldn't have the female vote today, if not for the Suffragettes chaining themselves to railings...just for example. The reliance of the economy on women's work during WWI might have ha more to do with it.
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Post by echnaton on Aug 23, 2007 15:07:46 GMT -4
My experience in college with friends that protested is that it was largely a recreational activity for them, a way to flex their growing awareness that they have a vastly increased control over their own lives. Not that they didn't believe in what they were doing, but that they were in many cases ill informed on the subjects of their protest. Nuclear power was a big issue then. However in reality, people die regularly because we get electricity from coal fired plants rather than from splitting atoms. That never seemed to figure into the equation.
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Post by cosmored on Sept 16, 2007 5:58:40 GMT -4
There sure seem to be a lot of them. They even have their own websites. truthaction.org/In this video it says that eighty six percent of Americans think the government is lying about 9\11. video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5224963246223576086&hl=enIt also says that one third of Americans think that it was the government who pulled it off. Do these people not know that the government always tells the truth. What is happening to this country
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Post by Grand Lunar on Sept 16, 2007 9:47:22 GMT -4
I believe it can assumed that the govt always holds back some amount of information. The purposes can vary. Often, they don't do such a good job at it. One example that comes to mind was the Glomar Explorer and Project Jennifer.
For 9/11, it seems to me that the govt just doesn't want to admit how woefully unprepared it was for the attacks. That, I believe, it was a lot of people believe. There is a difference in believing that the govt isn't telling the whole truth and believing that it was an "inside job". To believe in an "inside job" means to ignore a lot of evidence.
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Post by gorgonian on Sept 16, 2007 15:03:40 GMT -4
That posting style sure looks familiar.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Sept 16, 2007 18:00:28 GMT -4
There sure seem to be a lot of them. They even have their own websites. truthaction.org/I found it on the internet, therefore it must be true.... Yup that rates right up there with "I wouldn't have laminated it if it wasn't true." And the latest polls, one commissioned by the 9/11 Truthers thermselves, and the other strangely enough by a TV station owned and operated by the Iranian Government, put the figures at about 4-5%, and that is with a possible error of 3% so it could actually be as low as 2%. On deluded people think that, but then only deluded people think the Government is always lying too. People firmly stuck in reality knows that Governments lie (well rather spin the truth) when it suits them and tell the truth when it suits them. They also know that by reviewing the evidence you can determine which they are doing. very few Governments will tell outright whoopers that don't have any matching to reality because they know they will get caught. Unlike some want to believe to support their delusions, the US Govt does not control the world wide mass media and every engineer. Very likely something totally different to what you want to believe.
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Post by echnaton on Sept 16, 2007 19:50:17 GMT -4
. One example that comes to mind was the Glomar Explorer and Project Jennifer. Thats funny that you bring that up today. I visited a piece of the original Glomar Explorer project today. It is a pipe joint made from gun barrel steel on display outside the Global Marine building in Houston.
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