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Post by wdmundt on Jun 4, 2008 9:19:59 GMT -4
Conservative pundits are going to fall all over themselves trying to frame Barack Obama as "elite" and as something despicable. Here is David Brooks from The New York Times giving it a go: "Obama‘s problem is he doesn‘t seem like a guy who can go into an Applebee‘s salad bar and people think he fits in naturally there. " today.msnbc.msn.com/id/24948994/The problem here is that Applebee's doesn't have a salad bar. I guess that makes Brooks seem a little less than genuine. Nice try, Dave. How about talking about issues?
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Post by Jason on Jun 4, 2008 11:36:28 GMT -4
I suppose some Applebees somewhere might have a salad bar. I'm more suprised to hear that the New York Times has printed anything a "conservative pundit" might say. And Obama is rich - there's no getting around that. Of course, McCain is pretty well-off too.
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Post by gillianren on Jun 4, 2008 12:30:38 GMT -4
What's wrong with being elite? Don't we want leaders who are more intelligent than average? Don't we want leaders who got the best education they could? In short, don't we want leaders we can look up to? Jefferson was elite. Roosevelt (both of 'em, really) was elite. Jackson wasn't, and look how much he screwed up the country!
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Post by Jason on Jun 4, 2008 12:52:43 GMT -4
We want leaders we can look up to, but we also want leaders who can understand our wants and needs and who are approachable. Marie Antoinette is the ur-example of what the populace thinks of an out-of-touch ruler.
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Post by sts60 on Jun 5, 2008 9:02:19 GMT -4
I want an intelligent leader - someone who can actually form and elucidate some original thoughts, and who is willing to actually admit mistakes and learn from them. I don't give a **** about whether he's someone I want to have a beer with.
And, frankly, I hope said leader doesn't think Applebee's constitutes a fine dining experience.
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Post by wdmundt on Jun 5, 2008 11:49:05 GMT -4
I suppose some Applebees somewhere might have a salad bar. I'm more suprised to hear that the New York Times has printed anything a "conservative pundit" might say. Conservative pundit David Brooks works for The New York Times as a columnist.
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Post by Jason on Jun 5, 2008 12:01:39 GMT -4
I suppose some Applebees somewhere might have a salad bar. I'm more suprised to hear that the New York Times has printed anything a "conservative pundit" might say. Conservative pundit David Brooks works for The New York Times as a columnist. And yet I'm still shocked every time I hear the words "conservative" and "New York Times" together.
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Post by LunarOrbit on Jun 5, 2008 12:06:30 GMT -4
Conservative pundit David Brooks works for The New York Times as a columnist. And yet I'm still shocked every time I hear the words "conservative" and "New York Times" together. Maybe they are not as biased as you have been lead to believe. And if that is the case, maybe you are also wrong about other media organizations.
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Post by Jason on Jun 5, 2008 12:08:11 GMT -4
Or maybe I'm making a joke at my own expense.
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Post by Al Johnston on Jun 5, 2008 14:53:21 GMT -4
What have you done with the real Jason? ;D
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Post by Jason on Jun 5, 2008 16:42:17 GMT -4
Hamas has apparently withdrawn its endorsement of Barack Obama:
Oh well, it's not like they could have voted for him anyway.
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