UFO'S DISCLOSURE PROJECT

[truthseeker]

Hi Folks,

I have an open mind on UFO's, and try to take an objective view on the subject.

Take a look at this website -:

www.disclosureproject.org/

And in particular the video -:

www.netro.ca/disclosure/npccmenu.htm

Apparently they have over 450 high quality people, who will testify under oath to what they have seen and experienced.

Igonre the annyoing fellow at the start, hes the only person who lets the high standard down.

Cheers

[echnaton]

Why is it that sites like this one always have links to related sites promoting free energy? Is it just that UFO’s and violating the laws of physics always go together or is it that the same people are suppressing knowledge about both of them? And what does Eisenhower’s speech about the military industrial complex have to do with UFOs?

I try to keep an open mind about UFO’s too. I would love nothing better than to be alive during an era in which intelligent life was discovered elsewhere in the universe. But every time I read web site like this one I just want to disassociate myself from the idea. If these people have a list of people that have first hand knowledge then publish the names and information. It can’t be that hard. If they fear government reprisals then publishing would be a sure way to let the cat out of the bag and make reprisals ineffective. Hypothesizing about some conspiracy is so lame. I will begin to consider that ET UFO’s are real when someone brings forth some unambiguous evidence.


Edited for word use.

[gwiz]

I always enjoy dropping the Curse of Klass into a UFO debate.

[echnaton]

Thanks for pointing that out. Klass must have had a wry sense of humor to go along with his hard headed pursuit of bunkum.

[Halcyon Dayz, FCD]

"The first effective curse in history!"

;D

[Bill Thompson]

Didn't Project Blue Book conclude, among many things, that there is no reason to believe that UFO's were extraterrestrial (a rhetorical question because I am sure it did)?

So if we choose to believe that UFO’s are extraterrestrial in origin, then we have to think that the big bad government is lying to us and we are no better off than any other HB’s. But at least the writers and actors for the X-Files keep their jobs because there is a demographic that they can appeal to.

[sts60]

I thought the slogan found on the X-Files movie poster was most telling:

Fight the Future

What a pithy summation of the mindset of the conspiracy theorists, hoax believers, and True Believers in general.

I prefer, as a slogan for skeptics and rationalists in general:

Fight For the Future

A slight difference in phrasing, a vast difference in meaning.

[truthseeker]

In response to echnaton,

Eisenhower was referring to an increasingly powerful section of the military that was slipping from main stream governmental power, and the checks and balances that come from it.

Your probably aware of the billions of dollars that are used on "black-projects" from tax dollars, every year.

The disclosure of this money, and the accountability of its purposes is off limits to Joe public. Whats worse is that it was even off limits to Eisenhower.

Part of his speech was -:

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together"

His concern was the politics was beginning to be increasingly dictated by an UN-seen, UN-approachable cache of people.

In relation to UFOs this amounts to keeping any potential energy delivery systems discovered, hidden from all of us, and therefore its benefits not available for man-kinds benefit.

This relates to Free energy or Zero point energy production as I understand it. This is a method of advanced propulsion that UFOs can use, and some of the highly classified people in the disclosure project have come forward to talk about. This does not break the laws of physics, but it is not commonly known to people like you and me.

I dont know if you watched any of the video, but some of the people on it were directly involved in reverse engineering of crashed discs. And these are high level people, Majors, Generals, NSA, CIA, FBI - you name it.

Thats the whole point of the project, to bring such an UN-deniable weight of evidence, from such high level people, that something has to shift. Sure it wont all happen at once. The greatest journey starts with a single step etc.

This free energy is called free, because it causes zero-pollution, and is unlimited. Because of this power production can become DE-centralized. E.G, you all have your own personal power units, with zero emissions.

This destroys the trillion dollar energy markets, because you dont need fossil fuels anymore. If you dont need fossil fuels anymore - whats the need for war?

Most wars are fought over acquisition of resources, oil being the obvious example. Ok you always get an ideological nut case now and again, but I'm sure you see my point.

Also this affects poverty, clean water, storage of food. If you have power to run integrated systems, you can greatly reduce world poverty.

According to Greer and the disclosure project, people from deep inside the so called industrial complex, have come forward and told what they can. More want to come forward, but obviously its a very dangerous thing to do.

The government can wack anybody they want. They will dis-credit you, your family - anything, because the thing they want to protect is so amazingly trans formative to society.

Hope i have explained it a bit.

Take Care.

[truthseeker]

I see it this way.

It makes no sense to snipe from ether side, skeptic or believer. Both are trying to achieve the same task (i hope) of finding the truth. They are simply approaching it from a different perspective.

The truth exists by itself, and cares nothing for my or your ego. We are just drops in the ocean.

[echnaton]

The problem I see with your well intentioned sentiment is that those who promote free energy are not seeking truth because such free energy devices do not exist nor is there any physical basis by which it could exist. Anyone promoting free energy systems is either a liar or deluded, there is really no other choice. Despite the sentiments of those that may actually believe in such devices, I am unable to agree that they are in any way acting to help the problems facing the world today. This is a rather sharp division I draw, and I am willing to be shown wrong. In fact, as with UFOs, I would love to be shown to be wrong, as I believe that you are correct in your assessment that free energy could greatly help the world. However it remains that increasing the level of material wealth requires squarely facing material reality.

[truthseeker]

Thanks for the reply echnaton.

These comments are just my opinions on what I have been able to find out so far. I am limited like most people to research on the internet, books, radio broadcasts etc.

As I'm sure your aware quality of information is of much more importance than the volume of it, and i accept i simply could be regurgitating some other persons mis-informed research details.

However, I hope that my limited powers of perception would grant me at least some insight into the nature of the information discussed and its potential applications.

Some free energy researchers may be deluded, and some indeed maybe liars, but i disagree with you when you say there really is no other choice. The other choice is, that there is a solid basis to such developments, and because it is so far reaching into our society, it is better to ridicule it first for fear of failure.

Thats what www.seaspower.com/ - the offshoot of the disclosure project is about, reclaiming access to developments on energy systems which have been repressed.

Take Care

[lordoftherings]

Just wanted to say that I read somewhere that the US government kidnapps ppl to Area 51 and does unethical research on them, subjecting them to medical experiments that are dangerous. So they made up this whole story of aliens and alien abduction to the public so no one would ask about the kidnapped or search for them. It may seem far-fetched, but it is even more far-fetched to think that aliens exist.

[Al Johnston]

Red letter day!

We've finally found something so outré that even LotR won't believe it

[snakeriverrufus]

alasdhair said:

Red letter day!

We've finally found something so outré that even LotR won't believe it

Roger that ;D

[truthseeker]

To quote lord of the rings-:

"It may seem far-fetched, but it is even more far-fetched to think that aliens exist."

Well i don't know about a cover story for kidnapping people for experiments for unethical purposes, but it wouldn't surprise me if governments carried out experiments on people.

I'm sure they have done so in the past on criminals, mentally ill people etc.

Far fetched to believe that aliens exist? I don't think so give the billions of stars, and the likelihood of planet formation, and the desire of life to get started in the harshest of conditions.

Just look at our own solar system.

Mars - Generally accepted that there was water there once, scientists agree where there is water there is normally life. How advanced it could of been, maybe we will find out one day.

Europa - Icy surface, possible ocean underneath. Thermal vents may be supporting life, as they do in our oceans thermal vents.

Enceladus - Could be similar to Europa with possible water ocean.

Titan - Its atmosphere now is like an early earth type atmosphere, although colder. When it was warmer it may of been possible for micro-organisms to get started.

So just a few possibles from out small corner of the galaxy.

If the science supports lifes desire to begin wherever there is a remote chance, its not hard to imagine a civilization on a different planet maybe 1000 years ahead of us in development, with incredible technology.

Just think of what we would have in terms of technology in 1000 years time.

Cheers