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Post by lordoftherings on Mar 23, 2006 6:19:41 GMT -4
I'll comment on truthseeker as others don't deserve.
Truthseeker, I understand your point of view which I guess depends on the evolutionary theory, that is if good environmental conditions exist for life, it could develop. However, if there are aliens, they are not as described. Why don't they show up in China, India, Mexico, Canada, Middle East? Why do they only show in America? Or do you think that they speak to the US gov. only and those far-fetched conspiracy theories? I saw American spy planes that look like disks, and I think this is what ppl thought as flying saucers. Other stuff is science fiction.
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Post by truthseeker on Mar 23, 2006 7:18:52 GMT -4
Well reports of UFO's are sighted all over the world not just the usa. Mexico is a well known hot spot, and all those country's you mention have had sightings.
Does this mean that they are Alien-controlled Objects?, probably not. But they are certainly some interesting things flying about.
I agree many are military aircraft of an advanced nature. I also agree that 99% of UFOs are just normal objects. Lots of the UFO photos you see today, are just birds flying at high speed. Unfortunately Lots of Ufologists have lost any objectivity on what they see.
But its not the percentage that matters, its the size of the pie that matters. And the 1% thats left, is well worth investigating.
All the best
Truth seeker
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Post by lordoftherings on Mar 23, 2006 7:35:52 GMT -4
can you present me with UFO sightings in the ME? thnx
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Post by truthseeker on Mar 23, 2006 9:27:19 GMT -4
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Post by lordoftherings on Mar 23, 2006 9:49:06 GMT -4
These are in Mexico, I wanted to see if someone saw them in the Middle East. Anyways, that prophet Yahwe thing is just...I don't know what to say. Frankly speaking, I don't believe in aliens. It could be people witnessing some new technology planes kept secret, but not aliens.
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Post by truthseeker on Mar 23, 2006 10:00:45 GMT -4
Sorry when you said ME thought you was using a shorthand for mexico I will find some middle east ones for you when i have more time. Bye for now
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Post by gezalenko on Mar 23, 2006 10:16:53 GMT -4
Truthseeker said "scientists agree where there is water there is normally life".
No, I think that's not quite right. Scientists have found that wherever there is water on earth, there is normally life. In other words, evolution has created a fantastic diversity of lifeforms that can exploit a huge range of watery environments - very hot, very cold, very wet, very dry, and everything inbetween. I think they also agree that water seems to be necessary for life as we know it. But that does not mean that wherever we find water away from earth, we will find life there too. We MAY do, and it would be fantastic if we do, but there is no hard evidence yet that life exists anywhere else away from the earth.
Truthseeker said "the desire of life to get started in the harshest of conditions"
As a figure of speech, I know what you mean, but in reality I don't think such a thing exists. After all, we only know FOR CERTAIN that life has started once, on earth. What we also know is that, once life has begun, evolutionary processes can be very good at enabling life to exploit hostile environments.
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Post by truthseeker on Mar 23, 2006 10:52:24 GMT -4
Well I did say normally lol, my statement was regarding mars. The theory is that a long time ago mars may have been similar to the earth, along with the ingredients that life needs to start. Take a look at this article about the toughness of life, and its relation to possible developments in different environments. www.space.com/news/life_strange_991209.htmlWater is a by product of evolution, so therefore i feel there is no discrepancy in the water-life postulation.
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Post by PeterB on Mar 29, 2006 20:53:52 GMT -4
Truthseeker said:
Er, no. I don't think water is a by-product of life.
Scientists consider that water is *necessary* for life on Earth, which is why NASA's looking for water on Mars. And water has many sources - the Earth's oceans sure weren't created by life - instead they predate life.
As far as I know, scientists point to *free oxygen* as a good sign of life.
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Post by truthseeker on Mar 30, 2006 5:42:59 GMT -4
I was talking about mars, and said water was a by product of evolution not life.
I meant to type planetary evolution, not darwin evolution. So thats my mistake, not yours, sorry.
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Post by 3onthetree on Apr 15, 2006 9:39:48 GMT -4
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Post by asdf on Apr 16, 2006 17:17:15 GMT -4
They always say that there is no life on a planet and people assume the planets are void of life. If aliens existed in our solar system I would suggest that they would want to be well underground below the surface of a planet. Protected from the harsh environments, nature, meteorites, asteroids, lightning, solar flares, radiation, etc. Then they could control their own environment and survive longer as a species. Another point people always say is that distances are too far away if they live outside the solar system. If they existed how can we even guess what their technology is or what their life span would be compared to ours. I think it is probable and rational to believe there is other intelligent life out there in the universe.
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Post by echnaton on Apr 16, 2006 18:17:35 GMT -4
I think it is probable and rational to believe there is other intelligent life out there in the universe. I too think that there is probably life elsewhere in the universe, even other intelligent life. But the fact remains that it is still a belief, and one for which there is no evidence, only conjecture.
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Post by bpd1069 on May 8, 2006 5:19:47 GMT -4
With the number of extrasolar planets being discovered each year, the plausibility of life existing outside of our solar system is almost assured.
The question of the existence of Intelligent life is another story. Also something to consider is not only is the universe vast in size, it is also equally ancient. Human existance is insignificant in comparison. How many civilizations may have sprung up through out the universe? Of those how many survived long enough to develop technology to leave their point of origin?
To have a belief that Aliens (assuming the meaning to be intelligent beings capable of visiting this planet) don't exist, is yet a different question again.
Then there is the one that makes me wonder. Lets assume that humans manage not to kill themselves off by violence/runaway technology/environmental disaster/etc. What would we evolve into in say, 10 million years? If civilization did remain somewhat intact over that period in time, who is to say they would not find a way to overcome the barriers that we now see as impassible.
So maybe there are no aliens, just Anthropologists collecting samples.
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Post by asdf on May 8, 2006 14:06:10 GMT -4
I think if we survived 10 million years we might resemble the classic grays. After that amount of time we might have to remove ourselves from the surface environment if not by our own means or by a natural disaster and eventually have to retreat underground. Probably the best chance for species survival. Heated by the planets core, away from the elements. We might be frail looking, gray skinned from lack of sunlight, stunted looking with large nocturnal eyes, and evenutally lose our resistance to the surface environment. Classic Gray alien.
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