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Post by PeterB on Mar 22, 2008 11:34:59 GMT -4
Do they have any of the materials from the conference available on the web? I would like to see them, if possible. I haven't been able to find anything specifically from the conference. Their names are Graeme Pearman and Kevin Hennessy. Here's a link to a CSIRO article by Hennessy which outlines historical data and projections for the effect of global warming on Australia: climatechangeinaustralia.com.au/documents/resources/TR_Web_FrontmatterExecSumm.pdfIf you Google their names, you'll find a range of other articles by them.
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Post by Jason on Mar 24, 2008 13:00:23 GMT -4
I've had the chance to look at this executive summary now. It's a step in the right direction, but I don't find it to be a convincing demonstration that human activity is causing global warming. It lacks enough details (being, after all, just a summary) that I would have to call it testimony rather than evidence.
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Post by Jason on Mar 24, 2008 15:23:35 GMT -4
Here is a good example of a full-bore global-warmist prophet of doom. I find it hard to read this article without laughing out loud at how outrageous this woo-hoo is. Note also that though Mr. Lovelock is convinced our species (or at least 5/6ths of it) is doomed that he's still selling a book.
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Post by Jason on Apr 2, 2008 16:48:28 GMT -4
LiveScience.com is reporting that global warming killed the mammoth. Yes humans had something to do with killing the mammoth, but not the warming part - the climate changed all on its own. The story is here.
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Post by Ginnie on Apr 2, 2008 16:50:28 GMT -4
Yes, humans starting contributing to global warming when they learned how to use fire.
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Post by Jason on Apr 3, 2008 14:47:27 GMT -4
Are you trying to suggest that the campfires of pre-historic humans were responsible for the extinction of the mammoth? Not, say, overhunting?
Of course, mammoths must have been a big source of carbon emissions anyway (just as modern cattle are), so maybe they did us a favor.
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Post by wdmundt on Apr 3, 2008 18:19:09 GMT -4
Two years ago, the American Association of Petroleum Geologists gave their journalism award to Michael Crichton for his book "State of Fear," (which paints global warming as a hoax) even though the book is a work of fiction and is in no way shape or form "journalism." www.nytimes.com/2006/02/09/national/09prize.html?pagewanted=allAAPG has since backed away from policy statement that global warming is not being caused by humans. Why did they back away? The current policy statement is not supported by a significant number of our members and prospective members. www.aapg.org/explorer/president/2007/03mar.cfm
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Post by Jason on Apr 3, 2008 18:34:16 GMT -4
Two years ago, the American Association of Petroleum Geologists gave their journalism award to Michael Crichton for his book "State of Fear," (which paints global warming as a hoax) even though the book is a work of fiction and is in no way shape or form "journalism." Guilt by association seems to be one of the major arrows in the Global Warmist's quiver. "Do you have a 401(k)? Do any of the mutual funds in that 401(k) invest in the stocks of oil companies? Aha! That's why you don't believe us!" And why do the members not support the idea? Is it because they really do believe humans are causing global warming, or is it that they see no point in provoking the Global Warmists any further? EDIT: And what was that I kept saying earlier? Something like "the number of people who believe in something is nearly completely irrelevent to whether it's really true or not"? I'm still waiting to see any evidence that humans are really causing global warming. Attacking the credibility of Michael Chrichton doesn't seem like a positive step towards finding any.
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Post by wdmundt on Apr 3, 2008 18:43:12 GMT -4
Guilt by association? Err.... Ahh.... A group in the pocket of big oil giving a journalism award to a science fiction book... and... err... I'm... ahhh.... creating guilt by association...? Doezz nnnnotttt compuuuuttteee..... bzzz bzzz.
How about this one -- name a major national or international scientific body that doesn't think global warming is being caused by humans.
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Post by Jason on Apr 3, 2008 18:46:04 GMT -4
How about this one -- name a major national or international scientific body that doesn't think global warming is being caused by humans. I've got a better one - give me some real evidence humans are causing global warming.
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Post by wdmundt on Apr 3, 2008 18:55:11 GMT -4
Tell me why you disagree with:
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change Joint Science Academies InterAcademy Council European Academy of Sciences and Arts Network of African Science Academies U.S. National Research Council American Meteorological Society Royal Meteorological Society World Meteorological Organization American Geophysical Union American Institute of Physics American Astronomical Society American Physical Society Federal Climate Change Science Program National Center for Atmospheric Research American Association for the Advancement of Science Stratigraphy Commission of the Geological Society of London American Quaternary Association Geological Society of America American Chemical Society Federation of American Scientists Engineers Australia (The Institution of Engineers Australia) Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences European Geosciences Union International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics International Union of Geological Sciences International Council for Science European Science Foundation
-- all say that humans are causing global warming.
What do you know that they don't know? By what evidence do you say they are incorrect?
And do you admit there is no national or international scientific body that takes your side on this issue?
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Post by Ginnie on Apr 3, 2008 19:37:56 GMT -4
Are you trying to suggest that the campfires of pre-historic humans were responsible for the extinction of the mammoth? Not, say, overhunting? . I almost feel like saying 'yes' just to peck a fight and spike your post totals. ;D I wish I could remember were I just read something on this. The article was about man contributing to global warming in the past. One spike in warming was when people started to grow their own crops and live in cities about 9000 B.C. And apparently the planet got colder after the plague wiped out a lot of Europe'sI people. And a spike somewhere else that may have averted a recent ice age. Darn, I wish I could remember where I read that! Now, I'm not saying that I believed it - I would need much more detailed information.
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Post by Jason on Apr 3, 2008 20:35:25 GMT -4
Tell me why you disagree with: (Long List) -- all say that humans are causing global warming. So, if I can name enough churches that believe in God, that must mean he really exists, right?
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Post by Jason on Apr 3, 2008 20:37:24 GMT -4
I almost feel like saying 'yes' just to peck a fight and spike your post totals. ;D I wish I could remember were I just read something on this. The article was about man contributing to global warming in the past. One spike in warming was when people started to grow their own crops and live in cities about 9000 B.C. And apparently the planet got colder after the plague wiped out a lot of Europe'sI people. And a spike somewhere else that may have averted a recent ice age. Darn, I wish I could remember where I read that! Now, I'm not saying that I believed it - I would need much more detailed information. So are you saying that all the temperature spikes that have happened over, say, the last 20,000 years or so are due to human activity? How can we be sure that was the cause?
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Post by wdmundt on Apr 3, 2008 20:43:28 GMT -4
Tell me why you disagree with: (Long List) -- all say that humans are causing global warming. So, if I can name enough churches that believe in God, that must mean he really exists, right? All I'm asking you to do is to tell me why I should believe you and not the overwhelming majority of scientists who actually work in the area. Blunting the question by comparing science to faith does little to advance our argument.
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