Was Jesus Christ God? Feb 17, 2008 12:11:01 GMT -4
Post by Jason on Feb 17, 2008 12:11:01 GMT -4
raf said:Believing that god helps people wither they believe it or not is just that, your belief. It CANNOT be demonstrated by any evidence to actually exist.
I didn't claim it could be demonstrated. In fact I was arguing from almost the opposite point - that it cannot be conclusively proven or disproven.
Still, a person's beliefs are irrelevent to whether they really are being assisted by God, or whether God really exists in the first place.
EDIT: As another example, if I left a spade in my garden the last time I worked in it, my belief that I put my spade away last time I worked there has no effect on the spade's presence in my garden.
How does a parent teach his or her children to clean their room? When they're very young you offer them a bribe. "Clean your room and then you can have a popcicle/watch TV/play with your favorite toy." If they exert an effort, even if it's only to pick up a few items for a few minutes, then you compliment their work and give them the reward.
What's the harm?...because it's a bribe.
As they get older you offer lesser and lesser rewards and demand more and more actual work out of them until, hopefully, they reach the point where they see cleaning their room as something that is good and that they should do without any outside prompting or motivation from you.
The bribe at first is a tool towards learning the value the action has in itself by prompting the child to try the action. If the child never tries the action they will never learn that it is good.