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Post by Ginnie on May 2, 2008 16:52:49 GMT -4
I'd say "a fish-line was attached to the hammer and paid out slowly, probably from a simple gravity-driven mechanism, reducing it's acceleration to that of the feather Probably. Seems like. Must be. Sort of. Feels like. Could be. Appears that.
Some of what the HB spout is easily disproved, like parallel shadows, no stars, reflections in visor etc. We can't properly do the hammer and feather (broadside horz) experiment because we have a much denser atmosphere. Unfortunately some things can only be replicated on the moon. Now HB think that NASA has to either: 1) Pay off the Chinese and Japanese so that they don't take pictures of the Apollo landing sites with the satellites going up. or 2) Rush up a secret mission to put balsa replicas of supposed artifacts left on the moon from the missions before the satellites launch ;D ;D
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Post by macapple on May 2, 2008 17:28:06 GMT -4
A) the hammer-and-feather drop is faked (assumed); B) there's something that could be a wire. Since there is no attempt to intrinsically connect these other than by the generic class "Movie special effects are involved," there is no way to falsify. Im so happy to see that people still hang onto the last vestiges of nonsense after being run-over by the truck of rational, intelligent thought. Some HBs thought process in YT - Thought 1 I must breath or ill die
- Thought 2 The Apollo mission must be fake
- Thought 3 Why?
- Thought 4 Scrub thought 3
- Thought 5 Anyway i read it and watched it on You tube and someone's book so im right.
- Thought 6 Must find flaws in old TV and Apollo photos to prove them wrong. Them being those Govt stooges and CIA intels who try to dicredit my search for the truth...its out there!!
- Thought 7 Must watch all episodes of xfiles to reinforce the truth.
- Thought 8 must post on youtube and share my truth
- Thought 9 whats this science stuff they keep telling me i should use? Nuts to that I AM RIGHT and your all liers and idiots.. I am INTELLIGENCE!!!
- Thought 10 I must ban these cyber terrorists that claim the Apollo mission is real..I do not want their filthy propaganda on my site.
- Thought 11 I really must read wiki pedia and learn "nUtons Lloor of Mootion" and that "Astro physicals" that they keep taking about
- Thought 12 I have a headache now... read wiki and i dont understand ... Nuton has 3 laws...screw that..
- Thought 13 Wheres my little flag and fan..see wind does move a flag..
- Thought 14 I need to sleep..
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Post by nomuse on May 2, 2008 18:49:58 GMT -4
I'd say "a fish-line was attached to the hammer and paid out slowly, probably from a simple gravity-driven mechanism, reducing it's acceleration to that of the featherProbably. Seems like. Must be. Sort of. Feels like. Could be. Appears that. Too true. And I am too guilty of using weasel words. But the distinction here is that I use "probably" here as a stand-in for "I, as a skilled theatrical technician with experience in doing trick-line effects, can come up with several methods that I believe would work, and do not within the context of this particular argument or at this time consider it necessary to enumerate them, or detail them, or show their individual plausibility."
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Post by Ginnie on May 2, 2008 19:57:54 GMT -4
Oh, I use those words all the time, so as to not paint myself into a corner. I tend to sit on the fence a lot , not committing to anything specific so that my argument can't be torn apart by Jason, or Wdmundt, or just about anyone else. And I use spellcheck so as to not incur Gillianren's wrath. As for the Apollo record, I find it incredulous that if any HB did their homework, they could still come to the conclusion that the missions were faked. Often, they cite some quote out of an astronauts book out of context and I wonder - did they actually read the whole book? Would your typical HB spend ten hours reading Moon Shot? Or fifteen or so reading First Man: The Life of Neil A. Armstrong? Or going to the library and reading books about Space and Astronomy? And yet they will berate someone who hasn't watched Conspiracy Theory: Did We Land on the Moon ! One has to wonder...
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Post by gillianren on May 2, 2008 20:15:23 GMT -4
Thank you, Ginnie; at least my wrath has some positive outcome.
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Post by Ginnie on May 2, 2008 20:26:20 GMT -4
Thank you, Ginnie; at least my wrath has some positive outcome. I often wondered how Bill Thompson got away with it.
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Post by gillianren on May 3, 2008 10:33:29 GMT -4
Ah. Well, you see, I stopped reading his posts.
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Post by waynewitt on May 4, 2008 13:10:39 GMT -4
I recently came across this interchange on youtube about a Kaysing interview:
JimHowes02: That's the reason this interview is on youtube, because the interviewer did not ask actual questions, but rather provided a platform for Kaysing to spew his propaganda. Whenever the situation arises where Kaysing or any of these hoax-proponents have to deal with actual questions from someone who knows what they're talking about, they either avoid it altogether, skip the question, or, should they actually answer it, they forget it ever happened. You'll never seen those interviews on youtube.
heituzi: Perhaps you need a physics manual to explain how your poo falls in the toilet. Apollo is fake for the simple reason that space is a horrible, dangerous place. Apollo and all space programs are strictly regulated by the government and have mountains of secrets. The original films of Apollo are gone, and what we see are just grainy films of a projection of the original film. It's insulting to your intelligence.
It's really a perfect example of the conspiracy theorist mentality.
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Post by Obviousman on May 5, 2008 18:26:09 GMT -4
I recently came across this interchange on youtube about a Kaysing interview: heituzi: It's insulting to your intelligence. That attitude is certainly insulting my intelligence. I don't think 'heituzi' has much intelligence to insult if that is their attitude.
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Post by Ginnie on May 5, 2008 19:38:43 GMT -4
I recently came across this interchange on youtube about a Kaysing interview: heituzi: It's insulting to your intelligence. That attitude is certainly insulting my intelligence. I don't think 'heituzi' has much intelligence to insult if that is their attitude. Is that the interview where Weekly World New was mentioned?
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Post by Ginnie on May 6, 2008 16:51:55 GMT -4
To misquote Joseph Conrad: "The yarns of Hoax Believers have a direct simplicity, the whole meaning which lies within the shell of a ping pong ball."
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Post by waynewitt on May 6, 2008 19:40:49 GMT -4
Here's another one:
BnThDnTh: L. Ron Hubbard knows more about space than anyone else. He's actually been to the Van Allen Belt. He traveled to it and back. He says that it's just hot.
Serach YouTube for "Hubbard and Van Allen Belt" to hear him tell the tale in his own words.
Read "All About Radiation" by L. Ron Hubbard he sums it up.
:-)
This is so absurd I don't know if it's a joke or actually one of their claims. I'd believe either alternative; they're both just as plausible.
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Post by laurel on May 6, 2008 20:09:09 GMT -4
L. Ron Hubbard also traveled to Venus and almost got run over by a locomotive.
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Al Johnston
"Cheer up!" they said, "It could be worse!" So I did, and it was.
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Post by Al Johnston on May 7, 2008 3:43:55 GMT -4
Shame about the "almost" ;D
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Post by Grand Lunar on May 7, 2008 18:48:55 GMT -4
A good one comes from none other than 1plu8.
He's fixated on how deadly the radiation is outside of the VABs, thinks that because Apollo took place during a solar max that humans couldn't have survived outside the VABS, and dismissed the Zond missions because one species of turtle sent on the flight is a species that can withstand more radiation than humans can.
Yet, he still can't provide data that shows the radiation levels were deadly at all.
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