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Post by LunarOrbit on Sept 2, 2010 17:08:06 GMT -4
Where did Mr. Lee get these ideas? Mental illness?
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Post by PhantomWolf on Sept 2, 2010 17:13:11 GMT -4
Where did Mr. Lee get these ideas? Mental illness? Excellent, so next time some loon bombs an abortion clinic or shots a doctor, or flies a plane into a building we can happily blame that on Mental Illness to?
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Post by LunarOrbit on Sept 2, 2010 17:20:38 GMT -4
It makes more sense than blaming Al Gore, because I don't recall ever hearing him advocating that the human race stop reproducing, and I'm sure he doesn't advocate taking hostages at gunpoint.
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Post by Jason on Sept 2, 2010 17:32:45 GMT -4
It makes more sense than blaming Al Gore, because I don't recall ever hearing him advocating that the human race stop reproducing, and I'm sure he doesn't advocate taking hostages at gunpoint. But he has demonized those who disagree with him on the subject of global warming.
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Post by LunarOrbit on Sept 2, 2010 17:41:25 GMT -4
But he does not advocate violence. I think that anyone who interprets his disappointment at how slow we are to recognize a serious problem as a call to violence is either mentally ill or is just using it as an excuse to do something they would have done any way.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Sept 2, 2010 17:50:34 GMT -4
It makes more sense than blaming Al Gore, because I don't recall ever hearing him advocating that the human race stop reproducing, and I'm sure he doesn't advocate taking hostages at gunpoint. And the Bible doesn't advocate blowing up Abortion Clinics, nor the Koran the flying of planes into buildings, but that doesn't stop people claiming that those that do these things do it because of religion.
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Post by LunarOrbit on Sept 2, 2010 17:57:16 GMT -4
Do you see me blaming the Bible for abortion clinic bombings, or the Koran for the 9/11 attacks? You're making my point for me... that we shouldn't blame the Bible/Koran/Al Gore for the actions of a few crazed fanatics.
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Post by gillianren on Sept 2, 2010 19:28:46 GMT -4
Every day, billions of people read the Koran or the Torah or the Christian Bible without incident. They get all kinds of different messages out of it; in my own country's history, the Christian Bible was used to support both slavery and abolition, and that's a single political issue. You can't really claim the Koran or the Torah or the Bible is in and of itself responsible for human interpretations thereof. I do, however, blame certain religious leaders for using their own interpretations to get people to bomb abortion clinics or fly airplanes into buildings. Religion isn't bad; it's another human construct which has been misused.
But you can't even get Al Gore on inciting violence, unless he's saying something I didn't hear about.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Sept 2, 2010 22:18:55 GMT -4
Every day, billions of people read the Koran or the Torah or the Christian Bible without incident. They get all kinds of different messages out of it; in my own country's history, the Christian Bible was used to support both slavery and abolition, and that's a single political issue. You can't really claim the Koran or the Torah or the Bible is in and of itself responsible for human interpretations thereof. I do, however, blame certain religious leaders for using their own interpretations to get people to bomb abortion clinics or fly airplanes into buildings. Religion isn't bad; it's another human construct which has been misused. But you can't even get Al Gore on inciting violence, unless he's saying something I didn't hear about. While to a point I agree, people can also listen to preachers who declare that abortion is wrong in the eyes of God, and take that to mean the sinners should be punished, and go and do it themselves. In the same way people can listen to Al Gore saying that Governments are failing and the people should take action to make them listen and decide that means strapping a bomb to yourself and holding up a TV station. They don't have to be mentally ill to do it either, they just need to be a fanatic about what it is they believe in, be it a god religion or an eco one.
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Post by gillianren on Sept 3, 2010 1:45:45 GMT -4
I don't know; I think fanaticism tends to be a symptom of mental illness, albeit one I doubt I could find in the DSM.
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Post by Jason on Sept 3, 2010 11:17:23 GMT -4
I'm not blaming Al Gore directly for the actions of this loon, but I am blaming him for playing a large part in creating the climate (again, pun intended) in which this loon found justification for his actions. A climate of hysteria that demonizes one's idealogical opponents, claims that the very survival of the planet rests on our actions, and calls for immediate action in the face of strong opposition. No he shouldn't be legally liable in any way, but I feel he would be wise to tone things down a bit.
I often feel much the same way about the agitation coming from people like Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck.
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Post by echnaton on Sept 3, 2010 11:39:59 GMT -4
Not only are the doomsayers always wrong, but sometimes their overheated (pun intended) rhetoric has real consequences. James Lee was killed by police yesterday after he took hostages in the Discovery Chanel's lobby and threatened to bomb the building if the Discovery Channel didn't give in to his demands: Where did Mr. Lee get these ideas? This kind of thinking has been around for much longer than either global warming and Al Gore. Misanthropy is just what some people feel. I had a high school friend who would get that way once and a while. He takes meds now and is much more pleasant. Whether it is "metal illness" or not, I don't know, but it is part of the spectrum of human behavior. To blame it on the any current climate is unwarranted. Rather misanthropy is a problem with the person.
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Post by gillianren on Sept 3, 2010 14:59:21 GMT -4
Certainly the idea that the Earth would be better off without humans predates the current environmental concern. It's probably centuries old. Some people are just like that, and we can banter back and forth all we like about whether it's diagnosable as anything in particular or not. Blaming it on Al Gore or the current environmental movement is either facetiousness or blind political backstabbing.
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Post by homobibiens on Sept 4, 2010 2:48:57 GMT -4
Blame Canada.
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Post by Apollo Gnomon on Sept 7, 2010 23:33:58 GMT -4
People like Lee are loose cannons, and will eventually find SOMETHING to go off on.
You can't blame "catcher in the rye", "Taxi Driver" or Jodi Foster or for Hinkley deciding that shooting President Reagan was a good idea.
Lee could just as easily have used the sociological theories of Dr. T. J. Kazcinski to justify his actions - and he would have had more backing in the Unibomber Manifesto than "inconvenient truth" provides.
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