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Post by Mr Gorsky on May 14, 2008 5:28:51 GMT -4
IQ tests are all well and good, but a high IQ doesn't necesarily translate into rational, logical thinking or, indeed common sense.
My Brother-in-Law is almost obscenely intelligent, in an academic sense, and apparently has a huge IQ to go with it, but he mostly seems to be on a different planet when it comes to those regular day by day things that make up real life.
Fortunately, he knows it ... and he has no problem accepting that we went to the moon.
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Post by Grand Lunar on May 14, 2008 7:36:00 GMT -4
Wow.
Reminds me of something I heard elsewhere. Something about CGI artists, I think, that Jim Cameron was working with. As he said, they were the "smartest dumb people he'd met".
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Post by PhantomWolf on May 14, 2008 9:01:51 GMT -4
I wouldn't trust the onlinbe tests as far as you can kick a wookiee, they always score me about 10-15 points high, some as high as 20-25 points high (I know mine from actual testing).
I also have to agree with the IQ=/=Smarts. I actually think that often as people's IQ increase their wisdom decreases. Supposedly Intelligent people can be really dumb when it comes to every day things.
I think that people have different skills, Guys I know wouldn't have a clue what a Quadratic Equation was, let alone how to solve one, and would look at you like you had three heads if you started talking differentials, but then they could strip a car down and tell you what every part does, then put it back together so it works better than it did before. Me, I'm far happier under the bonnet of a computer then a car, though I can do basic mechanical work if told what I need to do (I even changed the bushes on my old car's front suspension once) by someone that knows it.
The issue with CTs is that they claim to have the high IQ and generally not only do they not have them, but what they do have isn't actually used in any way either.
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Post by echnaton on May 14, 2008 10:35:07 GMT -4
I took a psychologist administered IQ test in grad school. The number result was about what I had expected. The variations within the test were what was of interest to me. It gave me some insight into my strengths and weaknesses. I took a online test that approximated the number from the administered test, but it was of no practical use. Maybe if I had paid for the full report it would have been interesting. But maybe not. There were very few questions.
One online inventory I've took recently proved to be insightful because it provided details. The test had hundreds of questions and took about 2 tedious hours to complete.
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Post by Bob B. on May 14, 2008 11:00:25 GMT -4
I think we often assume that a high-IQ person is also well educated, but that may not necessarily be the case. Surely there are many people with gifted IQs that never had the opportunity to receive a higher education. These people may be very good at mechanical things and everyday problem solving. For instance, there have been many inventions created by generally uneducated people who were intelligent and able to think through problems and devise solutions. Despite being intelligent, these people may not be able to solve, for example, a difficult math problem simply because they’ve never been taught how.
Although I think most of the HB claims of high IQs are just bluster, there may be cases in which they truly are very intelligent. The problem is that intelligence alone does not make up for a lack of education and experience. The HB may think his intelligence is enough to allow him to bully his way through a debate with real scientists and engineers. He is, however, almost invariably made to look the fool because he is unequipped to have an informed discourse with experts. It is a tremendous blow to their pride and they seem not to be able to deal with it well.
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Post by gillianren on May 14, 2008 12:28:09 GMT -4
Actually, PW, quadratic equations--and basic arithmetic--are the only math I'm any good at.
I have, and let us be honest, wasted my IQ. Oh, I write a lot by some people's standards, but mostly what I do is sit around all day watching movies. I probably get more out of them than other people, but that's about half experience anyway. I exercise my brain here and at BAUT, but neither of them are really contributions to the world of my field. There's very little serious scholarly debate about literature in either place. I stretch myself a little in debate, and that's about it.
On the other hand, there's my ren faire boss, who's probably about 90--half that lofty IQ claimed by so many in the HB field. He's really quite clever, if not terribly intelligent--low average, of course. However, he comes up with things on a regular basis that I couldn't manage if I tried thinking them out with both hands for a fortnight. He's a brilliant craftsman. He didn't finish high school, but I couldn't do what he does anyway.
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Post by trevor on May 14, 2008 18:38:15 GMT -4
I have taken a few IQ tests, I have taken 2 school / uni based ones, one at 12 y.o. and at 32 y.o. which came to 146 and 147 respectively. I have done a few on line and scored as low as 123. You can also 'study' up on how to do IQ tests which can increase your score. They have no real meaning in how you perform in your life.
I am the 'smartest' person I know, as far as I know.
I am an engineer but my hands have a far higher 'IQ' than my mind, if you get my drift.
Everything I do when it comes to designing or constructing is nutted out to the nth degree. It's part of my training. Or as my wife likes to call it 'procrastinating' ;D.
My least favorite sentence after spending hours working out how to do something - "why don't you just do it like this"
My wife is not as intelligent as me on paper but by golly she is a whole lot smarter.
She calls the forum "my crazy moon people"
"But no darling they are the ones disproving the Hoaxers"
Second worst come back "Whatever"
Trev
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Post by Count Zero on May 14, 2008 19:07:26 GMT -4
She calls the forum "my crazy moon people"
Excuse me, but that's Pro-Apollo Nutters, thank-you-very-much.
;D
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Post by Grand Lunar on May 15, 2008 6:06:11 GMT -4
Wouldn't that make us "pycho-Selinites"?
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Post by scooter on May 15, 2008 7:11:31 GMT -4
Lunatics...
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Post by ineluki on May 15, 2008 8:29:23 GMT -4
Although I think most of the HB claims of high IQs are just bluster, there may be cases in which they truly are very intelligent. The problem is that intelligence alone does not make up for a lack of education and experience. Now I don't want to get into a full debate about the meaning of "intelligence", but shouldn't an intelligent person realise that there are areas* where real knowledge is needed? P.S. * i.e. Knitting, to use a subject that has nothing to do with the moonhoax,
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Post by Bob B. on May 15, 2008 8:35:53 GMT -4
Now I don't want to get into a full debate about the meaning of "intelligence", but shouldn't an intelligent person realise that there are areas where real knowledge is needed? I don't know. I've noticed that when pride gets in the way, seemingly intelligent people can do some pretty stupid things.
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Post by Grand Lunar on May 17, 2008 7:09:50 GMT -4
Now I don't want to get into a full debate about the meaning of "intelligence", but shouldn't an intelligent person realise that there are areas where real knowledge is needed? I don't know. I've noticed that when pride gets in the way, seemingly intelligent people can do some pretty stupid things. True, very true. I've been there.
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Post by Jairo on May 21, 2008 1:30:35 GMT -4
I thought about creating a thread, but this one is already close in meaning.
It isn't really about a PAN claim, but a behavior. Funny at the begining, but now it's getting on my nerves.
Have you ever known a "convict troll feeder"? I've the unfortune of knowing some.
If they were complete strangers, I'd guess they were sock puppets. However, many of them are my fellows in CT debunking for long. Most of them are older than me and have graduations in related fields.
They started to engage in consecutive flame wars even against the same troll profiles. Maybe as a consequence, they also become constantly angry and paranoid, and likely to charge even at normal conspiracists making questions respectfully. Acting thus, they are ruinning our image and motivating trolls to make a huge conspiracist propaganda to keep the play. Things went so out of control that now troll's posts clearly outnumber HB's.
They definitely know what are trolls; this isn't the problem. They just feed them anyway. I started sending short private messages explaining why they should stop, then tried to contact each one via chat. They just answered "OK, I'll stop", stopped for a while, and kept doing it again. I thought it could be just a problem of self-control, but I even created a thread to discuss if someone actually thought it was better to atack trolls. Nobody showed.
With no better idea of what to do, I just kept warning, until they "lost their patience" and blew arguing why "ignoring never worked", why "I shouldn't worry", and how they were "humiliating the trolls". I tried to talk about this, but they didn't make more sense than what we are used to see from conspiracists. I'm so frustrated.
Well, now I think I can only hope they get banned, so that they can't do more damage.
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