raven
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Post by raven on May 20, 2010 14:13:14 GMT -4
Ugh, I have a major monkey on my back.I have been discussing, for lack of another word, with oen youtuber about the Apollo hoax, and he claims that the glints can be seen several feet above the PLSS antennas so 'obviously' they can not be the cause. Well, I am pretty daarn sure that is merely light been reflected fro mthe antenna at an angle into the lens, but what is the technical term for that, and does anyone have any photos of the same phenomena on Earth. Also, is there any good EVA video I can link to that show the astronauts twirling around each other, in a way that would be impossible if connected to wires attached to the ceiling? Thank you in advance.
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Post by carpediem on May 20, 2010 15:15:19 GMT -4
Well, I am pretty daarn sure that is merely light been reflected fro mthe antenna at an angle into the lens, but what is the technical term for that, . Lens flare.
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Post by JayUtah on May 20, 2010 17:13:06 GMT -4
he claims that the glints can be seen several feet above the PLSS antennas...Is there are particular clip in question? Perhaps I can look at it. ...but what is the technical term for thatTechnically, if it's something like the Una Ronald "Coke bottle" it would be a diametrically projected catadioptric. "Lens flare" works too. There are many classes of catadioptric effects. ...and does anyone have any photos of the same phenomena on Earth.I could probably find innumerable examples of various catadioptric effects. The vast variety of them makes it unlikely to be certain I can find a duplicate of the exact type you see. They vary greatly by lens type and circumstance. ...in a way that would be impossible if connected to wires attached to the ceiling?In my opinion a far more devastating argument is the well-evidenced fact that wires used in theatrical applications don't glint. They didn't glint in 1968 when they made Dick Van Dyke [really? we're going to censor that?] perform marionette-like dance moves www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBMLpyyZHik . They didn't glint in 1939 when they made the Cowardly Lion's tail wag. All that was done under 200,000 watts of light in 70-millimeter Technicolor glory. If you study the high-def transfers carefully you can just barely see the wires. But they certainly don't glint brightly enough to be seen in a crappy web transfer of a 16mm kinescope or 40-year-old videotape. Frankly we're just smarter than that. We anodize the wires. We carbon-black them. We dye them. One doesn't just get to say that some random flash "must" be a wire glint. You don't get to say it's a PLSS antenna if it occurs too high -- hypothesis falsified. Commensurately you don't get to say it's a flying wire if the wires don't do that -- hypothesis falsified. Other potential causes to consider include film scratches from kinescopes or single-frame transmission glitches.
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Post by Mr Gorsky on May 20, 2010 18:50:05 GMT -4
They didn't glint in 1968 when they made Dick Van d**e [really? we're going to censor that?] Absolutely ... it has to be Dick van Womenincomfortableshoes.
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Post by Kiwi on May 22, 2010 8:49:07 GMT -4
...he claims that the glints can be seen several feet above the PLSS antennas so 'obviously' they can not be the cause... Raven: If he's talking about the glints above the Apollo 17 astronauts when they were videoed by the flag, I analysed the appropriate frames in this post: apollohoax.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=theories&action=display&thread=1122302912&page=3#1122468469The analysis is highly detailed and needs to be read step-by-step while viewing the video on a large screen, so it is probably quite useless for convincing an HB of anything. However, you might be able to pick something useful out of it.
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raven
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Post by raven on May 22, 2010 16:07:57 GMT -4
Thanks everyone, you have been most helpful!
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Post by dwight on May 23, 2010 14:48:00 GMT -4
Raven, ask the HB to view to view a videotape recording of the same event and explain why that glint only appears on the film-based kinescope. You'll get hours of entertainment reading the back peddling.
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Post by james on May 27, 2010 2:08:55 GMT -4
I've come across a youtube vid today. The video itself isn't about Apollo being a hoax, but some HB's are using it as such. www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNLlT_zbWYIIn the video, William Shatner is talking about a visit to NASA back in '69 sometime before Apollo 11. He mentions that he was inside the LM (not sure if it was a real LM or a simulator) and looked through the LM's sextant and saw a starfield (I assume the starfield was used for training) and then suddenly a model of the Enterprise flies by. It was a joke that all the engineers put together for Shatner. Now some HB's seem to be using this as some kind of evidence that Apollo was a hoax. I guess because they faked a starfield and had a model of the Enterprise fly through it or something. I'm not entirely sure what they're getting at exactly. What I'm wondering is, if there is any documentation out there of Shatner's visit? Be it photos or some article or whatever.
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Post by Data Cable on May 27, 2010 10:12:52 GMT -4
He mentions that he was inside the LM (not sure if it was a real LM or a simulator) and looked through the LM's sextant and saw a starfield (I assume the starfield was used for training) and then suddenly a model of the Enterprise flies by. Wasn't that a gag from Airplane II?
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Post by PeterB on May 28, 2010 0:14:15 GMT -4
I've come across a youtube vid today. The video itself isn't about Apollo being a hoax, but some HB's are using it as such. www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNLlT_zbWYIIn the video, William Shatner is talking about a visit to NASA back in '69 sometime before Apollo 11. He mentions that he was inside the LM (not sure if it was a real LM or a simulator) and looked through the LM's sextant and saw a starfield (I assume the starfield was used for training) and then suddenly a model of the Enterprise flies by. It was a joke that all the engineers put together for Shatner. Now some HB's seem to be using this as some kind of evidence that Apollo was a hoax. I guess because they faked a starfield and had a model of the Enterprise fly through it or something. I'm not entirely sure what they're getting at exactly. What I'm wondering is, if there is any documentation out there of Shatner's visit? Be it photos or some article or whatever. James This page has the story: www.stargate-chronicles.com/background.htmlThough several details are different - CM rather than LM, simulator rather than real spacecraft, Klingon spacecraft rather than Enterprise - it seems to be the same story. I could easily put the differences down to Shatner's memory of an event so far in the past. Interestingly, though, the guy who tells the story, while being passionate that Apollo was genuine, seems to believe UFOs are alien spacecraft...perhaps that might make him more believeable to Hoax Believers.
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Post by laurel on May 28, 2010 13:19:59 GMT -4
Funny that Judith Resnik was such a good friend of his and yet he doesn't know how to spell her name.
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Post by dwight on Jun 3, 2010 0:14:03 GMT -4
It's like my bestest buddy in the whole world Noel Armstrong.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jun 3, 2010 5:10:15 GMT -4
It's like my bestest buddy in the whole world Noel Armstrong. Surely you mean Neil Armstrang...
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Post by dwight on Jun 3, 2010 6:54:31 GMT -4
It's like my bestest buddy in the whole world Noel Armstrong. Surely you mean Neil Armstrang... Yeah, that's him - the cycling champion.
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Post by BertL on Jun 3, 2010 7:53:31 GMT -4
Noel Armstrong - isn't that the trumpet player who rode on the moon with a wire-mesh unicycle once?
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