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Post by brotherofthemoon on Aug 31, 2008 13:28:56 GMT -4
Did he check the ground clearance of a Formula 1 car? You'd be lucky to find anywhere on the moon where you could sit one on its wheels rather than its floor. The Moon must be perfectly flat - how else would you get those completely parallel shadows, otherwise?
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Post by Grand Lunar on Aug 31, 2008 16:51:42 GMT -4
He really must be desperate now; he's trying the "No stars" arguement.
I replied to that bit. I await the comedy that will result.
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Post by smlbstcbr on Aug 31, 2008 17:29:15 GMT -4
Did he check the ground clearance of a Formula 1 car? You'd be lucky to find anywhere on the moon where you could sit one on its wheels rather than its floor. The Moon must be perfectly flat - how else would you get those completely parallel shadows, otherwise? In the very unlikely event of taking an F1 up there, if they manage to start the engine, the only thing that could happen is a mad spinning of the wheels and no movement at all. No air, no downforce; 1/6 gravity, not enough mechanical grip. The guy waving the checkered flag at the Finish line will be very bored.
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Post by Ginnie on Aug 31, 2008 19:45:20 GMT -4
Here's a recent HB quote: Talking about the Mythbusters busting the non-parallel line theory:
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Post by Count Zero on Aug 31, 2008 20:45:25 GMT -4
Ow!
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Post by JayUtah on Aug 31, 2008 21:25:17 GMT -4
Which is why they took the control photo first, with the same lighting.
The old adage still applies: you can't dispel with reason conclusions that weren't drawn by reason.
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Post by raven on Aug 31, 2008 21:30:20 GMT -4
The trouble is, they claim that these conclusions were drawn by reason. Talk of how the overwhelming evidence converted them to this view. One of them tried to sick Bill Kaysing on me, when I asked for what evidence had been so darn all convincing. A quick glance at his Wikipedia biography shows how laughable that is.
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Post by Czero 101 on Sept 1, 2008 3:17:27 GMT -4
OMG... now this guy is actually suggesting that, in order to fake the footage and to simulate 1/6 gravity, they filled a soundstage (uses the therm "environment") with helium... Oh, and then there's the whole part of his argument where he doesn't have to supply answers to his questions, we just have to believe he's right since he's worked on dune-buggies and cars in the desert.... Cz
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Post by Count Zero on Sept 1, 2008 5:52:58 GMT -4
OMG... now this guy is actually suggesting that, in order to fake the footage and to simulate 1/6 gravity, they filled a soundstage (uses the therm "environment") with helium... Ah, another graduate of the I-just-made-it-up-so-it-must-be-true school of conspiracy hypothesising. Should we break it to him that objects in a less-dense medium (such as helium) will be less bouyant than in a normal atmosphere? Heck, for the medium to support 5/6th of the astronauts weight, it would have to be a liquid, not a gas. ETA: I went ahead and responded.
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Post by smlbstcbr on Sept 1, 2008 12:13:43 GMT -4
OMG... now this guy is actually suggesting that, in order to fake the footage and to simulate 1/6 gravity, they filled a soundstage (uses the therm "environment") with helium... Oh, and then there's the whole part of his argument where he doesn't have to supply answers to his questions, we just have to believe he's right since he's worked on dune-buggies and cars in the desert.... Cz That phrase alone wins the stupidity and ignorance championship.
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Post by brotherofthemoon on Sept 1, 2008 18:53:16 GMT -4
OMG... now this guy is actually suggesting that, in order to fake the footage and to simulate 1/6 gravity, they filled a soundstage (uses the therm "environment") with helium... You know, so many old folks who shop where I work insist on having even the lightest groceries placed in paper and plastic bags, I've often wondered if the interaction between the two bags causes some kind of anti-gravity effect. So I then figured out, "Oh, that's how they faked the Moon landings! They wrapped the set in a giant plastic bag, and then put a paper bag over it! You PANs just got pwned! ;D
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Post by smlbstcbr on Sept 1, 2008 22:10:35 GMT -4
OMG... now this guy is actually suggesting that, in order to fake the footage and to simulate 1/6 gravity, they filled a soundstage (uses the therm "environment") with helium... You know, so many old folks who shop where I work insist on having even the lightest groceries placed in paper and plastic bags, I've often wondered if the interaction between the two bags causes some kind of anti-gravity effect. So I then figured out, "Oh, that's how they faked the Moon landings! They wrapped the set in a giant plastic bag, and then put a paper bag over it! You PANs just got pwned! ;D ;D ;D ;D Reminds me of Homer's (Simpson) schematics for his time machine...
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Post by Grand Lunar on Sept 2, 2008 7:40:40 GMT -4
D'oh!
That John Death character seems to have been quite for a while. Wonder how long it'll last....
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Post by JayUtah on Sept 2, 2008 10:23:56 GMT -4
Not very long, I'll wager. He has never let colossal failure stand in his way before. He's that type of person who takes it as a personal insult that some people know more about something than he does, so he can't let failure stew for very long.
It will be interesting to see whether his rejoinder takes the form of utterly forgetting his latest howlers or a frantic, tortured attempt to "prove" that something immersed in helium will be more buoyant than if in air.
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Post by nomuse on Sept 2, 2008 18:25:24 GMT -4
Aha. I was wondering where one of my current pets had gotten one of his absurdities. Mine has gotten himself trapped into arguing that planets don't exist, so I felt that dreaming up "buoyant air" was a bit beyond him intellectually.
(Just to give the flavor....his argument is that the air on Earth provides enough buoyancy to largely counter-act the gravitational pull. On the Moon, without the benefit of atmosphere, the astronauts would have been forced to the ground by the crushing force of lunar gravity. I kid you not.)
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