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Post by lazarusty on Nov 9, 2008 22:31:21 GMT -4
Barack Obama - Born in Kenya I
Barack Obama - Born in Kenya II
Barack Obama Birth Certificate Forgery Confirmed
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Post by LunarOrbit on Nov 9, 2008 22:58:12 GMT -4
Let's pretend for a minute that Obama really was born in Kenya and is a Muslim. So what? Is he somehow inferior because of those specific traits? How could he possibly do a worse job than a particular "real American" from Texas?
Explain to me why this theory isn't based on bigotry. I kind of doubt people would make such a big deal out of his history if he was a white Christian who was hiding the fact that he was really born in Canada.
I'm really starting to get sick of racists and other hateful people.
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Post by laurel on Nov 9, 2008 23:19:31 GMT -4
The first video is really lousy evidence. So some nameless people in Kenya say Obama was born there and that makes it true? Please. I could just as easily say he was born in Hudson Heights, Quebec.
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Post by dumbtechie on Nov 9, 2008 23:51:57 GMT -4
Funny, the state officials responsible for birth records in Hawaii don't seem to agree with you.. State declares Obama birth certificate genuine. Perhaps if you tried looking at sources outside the paranoid conspiracy theory industry, you would have less egg on your tinfoil hat.
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Post by LunarOrbit on Nov 10, 2008 0:31:31 GMT -4
The first video is really lousy evidence. The first two videos both used the same deceptive technique. They highlighted the words "Obama was born in Kenya" in a court document, hoping the audience won't notice that the word before "Obama" was "claim"... as in "Person X and Person Y claim Obama was born in Kenya". Did they even say he was born in Kenya? They said he was Kenyan, but that could just mean "of Kenyan descent" not "he was born in Kenya". I'm often referred to as Welsh by my family because my Dad was from Wales. I've never been there.
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Post by laurel on Nov 10, 2008 0:49:24 GMT -4
Did they even say he was born in Kenya? They said he was Kenyan, but that could just mean "of Kenyan descent" not "he was born in Kenya". I'm often referred to as Welsh by my family because my Dad was from Wales. I've never been there. Well, the lady in the pink shirt says he's "originally from Kenya," but you're right, the other peoples' statements are more ambiguous. That's why they need the written statement on the screen beforehand to tell us how to interpret them. Manipulative.
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Post by BertL on Nov 10, 2008 5:29:46 GMT -4
Psh, everyone knows that Muslims can't ever become a US president. Obama is becoming one. Ergo, Obama isn't a Muslim.
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Post by Grand Lunar on Nov 10, 2008 10:23:49 GMT -4
People sure are desperately trying to come up with new conspiracy claims. Imagine if Hillary stayed and won. What crap would appear then? Same applies to me; I'm referred to as being Polish, but this doesn't mean I was born there. In fact, I'm also Lebonese, English, and German. So according to the logic of the originator of this conspiracy theory, I must've been born in four different countries. CTs: The stupid, it burns!
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Post by LunarOrbit on Nov 10, 2008 11:18:25 GMT -4
I'm still expecting a CT to claim Obama is related to the Queen of England (and therefore a shape-shifting reptile).
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Post by echnaton on Nov 10, 2008 13:04:50 GMT -4
I'm still expecting a CT to claim Obama is related to the Queen of England (and therefore a shape-shifting reptile). He's a politician, therefore by definition he already is a shape shifting reptile. No royal connection required.
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raven
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Post by raven on Nov 10, 2008 14:05:45 GMT -4
Having a rather a fondness for these scaly poikilotherms, I dislike the insinuation that politicians are in some way related to these creatures, polymorphic or no. ;D
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Post by echnaton on Nov 10, 2008 14:30:52 GMT -4
My apologies to all offended non shape shifting ectotherms, scaly or not. My comment was only meant to apply to those that take on human form to advance their cold causes at the expense of us true warm blooded Americans.
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Post by Dead Hoosiers on Nov 10, 2008 15:55:39 GMT -4
Rusty, This topic has already been covered pretty well in Predictions for 2008. Judge Surrick dismissed Berg's case, not on the merits, but by determination that Mr. Berg didn't have standing before the court, which is just nuts. Mr. Berg then brought the case before the United States Supreme Court where, according to the judge's clerk, Obama will have to produce his real birth certificate in response to a petition for writ of certiorari by December 1. I'm just waiting to see if the Supreme Court allows Obama to skate on this. So much trouble for something so easy for Obama to make go away. Wanting our president to be an American citizen isn't bigotry. See this? There are even some Black Americans who want an American president. Is Elliott Washington a racist too? Name-calling is a popular tactic used by leftist extremists in an attempt to intimidate people who disagree with them. worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80435
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raven
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Post by raven on Nov 10, 2008 16:13:57 GMT -4
I am not an American, so I have no say in this, but I never liked the rule that meant an American president had to be a born in America. Sure that opens up the floodgates to the idea of Arnold Schwarzenegger theoretically becoming president, but America already has had an actor/president (Ronald Reagan) and it survived just fine. America was born of immigrants, it's greatest strength is its diversity. Of course,I would want an American president to be an American CITIZEN, but born elsewhere? Why should that matter?
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Post by gillianren on Nov 10, 2008 17:03:54 GMT -4
My problem with a Schwarzenegger administration has really very little to do with his previous profession. Likewise my problems with the Reagan administration.
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