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Post by Dead Hoosiers on May 1, 2009 15:53:58 GMT -4
There's this. It's a starting point for looking into it further. www.nytimes.com/2009/01/09/health/09flu.html?_r=1&hpIf you can find sources that say it works, you can also find sources that say it doesn't if you choose to look. I want to emphasize that people should do some significant investigation of vaccine dangers before putting this stuff into their own bodies let alone rallying behind government efforts to force this stuff on unwilling people. I was appalled by an episode I saw on Law & Order this week where a woman who chose not to vaccinate her child against measles was depicted as a murderer. Seriously. Hunt down some information on the history of vaccines and how much collateral damage they've caused, how ineffective they are and how they cause the diseases they purport to prevent. It's only recently that dentists have stopped using silver amalgam fillings, finally admitting that the mercury in them is dangerous. Hopefully we can get fluoride out of our water supply soon. If a safe vaccine can be created, I'd be for it. Do your own research. It's your body. Not mine. Not the governments. Keep in mind that people and corporations will do terrible things for profit. With that, I'm done on this topic.
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Post by Jason on May 1, 2009 16:08:39 GMT -4
I was appalled by an episode I saw on Law & Order this week where a woman who chose not to vaccinate her child against measles was depicted as a murderer. Did the kid die of the measles?
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Post by tedward on May 1, 2009 17:18:35 GMT -4
I get a flu jab every year. I am not relating this to swine flu, just that in having the flu jab every year I suffer the flu a heck of a lot less. Asthmatic and used to cop it usually once a year at least. Now I have suffered it once in the last six years.
It really is a no brainer, have the jab and it reduces the chances of me getting whatever is brewing that winter. No jab and its suffering time, probably.
Mr Jones is not a doctor and I would ask are you Dead Hoosiers? I would and will put more stock in my doctor.
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Post by Dead Hoosiers on May 1, 2009 17:53:48 GMT -4
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Post by Dead Hoosiers on May 1, 2009 17:58:47 GMT -4
I get a flu jab every year. I am not relating this to swine flu, just that in having the flu jab every year I suffer the flu a heck of a lot less. Asthmatic and used to cop it usually once a year at least. Now I have suffered it once in the last six years. It really is a no brainer, have the jab and it reduces the chances of me getting whatever is brewing that winter. No jab and its suffering time, probably. Mr Jones is not a doctor and I would ask are you Dead Hoosiers? I would and will put more stock in my doctor. I'm not advising you or anyone to turn to Alex Jones for medical advice. I'm saying do your own research. If whatever your doc tells you is good enough for you then that's that. Most people have no apparent adverse effects from vaccines, but I think they'd be surprised to learn how they're made, what's in them, and the reported adverse affects. There is also the question of just how much immunity they provide and for how long. The flu shot is a real crap-shoot. I should think Baxter being caught contaminating its own vaccine with live virus would make even the most die-hard believer sit up and take notice.
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Post by laurel on May 1, 2009 18:13:40 GMT -4
An off-topic nitpick, it was Law & Order: Special Victims Unit, not the original Law & Order. And the woman who didn't vaccinate her child was acquitted.
My father is a doctor and he says getting a flu shot is a good idea. I trust him and I've never had any adverse reactions from flu shots except for my arm feeling bruised for a few days
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Post by Dead Hoosiers on May 1, 2009 18:15:03 GMT -4
Let me add a link to the Baxter vaccine contamination story. www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/02/27/8560781.htmlThis is the company the WHO is working with to produce a vaccine for the Mexican swine flu. Should this so-called pandemic go to Level 6 (unlikely at this point). We'd all be forced to take their swill. Anyone eager to get a jab now?
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Post by laurel on May 1, 2009 18:23:15 GMT -4
Where does it say that a Level 6 pandemic means mandatory vaccination for everyone?
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Post by Dead Hoosiers on May 1, 2009 18:55:40 GMT -4
The World Health Organization states that beginning at Level 3, as I recall, countries should consider instituting emergency powers. Those differ from country to country and state to state. Check what's on the agenda for your country.
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Post by gillianren on May 1, 2009 19:19:37 GMT -4
An off-topic nitpick, it was Law & Order: Special Victims Unit, not the original Law & Order. And the woman who didn't vaccinate her child was acquitted. Either way, as we all know, the Law & Order franchise is an excellent source of legal information. Just like the CSI franchise and forensics. (Well, to be fair, Law & Order is better. Not the point.) As goes Law & Order, so go the emergency FEMA concentration camps. So here's my question. If vaccines are so worthless and actually spread the disease they claim to prevent, what happened to smallpox?
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Post by Dead Hoosiers on May 1, 2009 23:18:04 GMT -4
An off-topic nitpick, it was Law & Order: Special Victims Unit, not the original Law & Order. And the woman who didn't vaccinate her child was acquitted. Either way, as we all know, the Law & Order franchise is an excellent source of legal information. Just like the CSI franchise and forensics. (Well, to be fair, Law & Order is better. Not the point.) As goes Law & Order, so go the emergency FEMA concentration camps. So here's my question. If vaccines are so worthless and actually spread the disease they claim to prevent, what happened to smallpox? www.naturodoc.com/library/public_health/truth_re_smallpox_vaccine.htmThis isn't the only article on the topic by any means.
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Post by gillianren on May 2, 2009 3:36:28 GMT -4
Okay, let's look at something from that page.
Annual deaths from cholera, over 10,000. Cases seem to be increasing. Outbreaks can be prevented with proper sanitation, it's true, as the bacterium in question lives in human feces and, therefore, contaminated drinking water. There is no vaccine approved for use in the US.
Annual deaths from yellow fever, 30,000. Mosquito control is the only effective means other than vaccination of preventing illness.
Annual deaths from tuberculosis, 1.6 million, though that probably includes deaths of those with weakened immune systems. No vaccination provides reliable protection in adults.
Annual deaths from typhus, apparently impossible to find online. It is spread primarily by fleas and lice on rats, so insect eradication is probably the most sensible way to prevent outbreaks.
Annual deaths from typhoid fever, 200,000.
Annual deaths from scarlet fever, 24.
Annual deaths from diphtheria (which the article spelled wrong), as many as 5000--a number that is a radical drop from the start of widespread vaccination and is now resurging as anti-vaccination wackadoos get their way. The Iditarod sled race is an annual commemoration of the life-saving arrival of serum.
Annual deaths from whooping cough, 600,000.
Annual deaths from measles, 197,000--a 74% worldwide drop since the WHO started a major vaccination campaign.
Annual deaths from the bubonic plague, also not easy to find. Radically lower than they once were; this, too, has to do with reducing insect infestation.
So wiped out? It appears not. It is generally true that increased sanitation and nutrition cause a healthier population. No one is disputing that. However, the last naturally-occurring death from smallpox, a condition that has been a terror for thousands of years, was in 1975. If vaccination does not work, there must be some other unknown mechanism at work that only affected smallpox. (Chicken pox cases have dropped by a ton since vaccination started, too. Care to talk about that one?)
ETA--those are all worldwide figures, it should be noted. However, if the disease is "eradicated," that shouldn't matter, should it?
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Post by tedward on May 2, 2009 4:47:04 GMT -4
I get a flu jab every year. I am not relating this to swine flu, just that in having the flu jab every year I suffer the flu a heck of a lot less. Asthmatic and used to cop it usually once a year at least. Now I have suffered it once in the last six years. It really is a no brainer, have the jab and it reduces the chances of me getting whatever is brewing that winter. No jab and its suffering time, probably. Mr Jones is not a doctor and I would ask are you Dead Hoosiers? I would and will put more stock in my doctor. I'm not advising you or anyone to turn to Alex Jones for medical advice. I'm saying do your own research. If whatever your doc tells you is good enough for you then that's that. Most people have no apparent adverse effects from vaccines, but I think they'd be surprised to learn how they're made, what's in them, and the reported adverse affects. There is also the question of just how much immunity they provide and for how long. The flu shot is a real crap-shoot. I should think Baxter being caught contaminating its own vaccine with live virus would make even the most die-hard believer sit up and take notice. My bold above. You appear to be. First post, If you love your life, do NOT take any vaccine.And prior sentence I'm getting my information from infowars.com (Alex Jones).Sounds like advice to me? Based on what? Come on, spill the beans. Mr Jones is not a policy maker or a doctor is he? I would be more concerned that duff info such as this is preventing people getting treatment because it colours their mind. We then end up with people refusing an otherwise sound treatment and spreading the disease if indeed it does develop to the claimed killer. Surprised as to what goes into a vaccine? Illuminate me. Go on, no links please. Many people will be surprised if they knew what ingredients are in soap or how the meat in their burger gets mixed up with other "bits". It does not mean anyone will stop using them. And side effects. If you look at most packets of drugs supplied over the counter or prescription there is a list of possible side effects. Some of the lists are quite long. One I took recently had heart palpitations as a side effect. Contact Doctor before continuing. So, from what you say, you are prepared to become a carrier and spreader of a potentially deadly virus?
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Post by PhantomWolf on May 2, 2009 7:13:36 GMT -4
You really should look into your sources futher, you might notice that the date on the article is Janurary 2009, over 4 months ago and before this flu strain even appeared. The N1H1 strain they are talking about in the article is not the same N1H1 "swine Flu" strain, but a H1N1 strain that was in the US over the US winter. And yet you keep posting.
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Post by Data Cable on May 2, 2009 23:26:56 GMT -4
But... drug resistance is an evolved trait... and we don't actually know that evolution has ever happened. So, I guess we're safe.
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