Jason
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Post by Jason on May 3, 2009 14:35:45 GMT -4
The danger isn't that this flu is a killer--it may well not be. The danger I'm concerned with is that the government may grab onto this as an excuse to force people to take a vaccine. But you are always and unreasonably concerned with this. You tie your fantasies to any incident then raise an alarm. Raising an alarm about the results of a swine flu pandemic is raising an alarm about a swine flu pandemic. Because people make decision based on the projected results of an pandemic, not the virus itself. Don't be such a weasel. Dead Hoosiers is in line with the rest of the public in blowing the swine flu way out of proportion, she is just blowing the threat way way out of proportion.
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Post by Dead Hoosiers on May 3, 2009 17:34:32 GMT -4
Is everybody here an illiterate? I'm not hyping the dangers of the swine flu--it's our government and mass media that's blowing the danger way out of proportion. What I'm jacked up about is that this is a perfect opportunity for the government to take some more of our freedoms and they appear to be jumping on it. Obama wants to spend billions fighting this fake flu scare.
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Post by captain swoop on May 3, 2009 17:59:21 GMT -4
Seems that the worst is over in Mexico
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Post by LunarOrbit on May 3, 2009 18:47:10 GMT -4
Is everybody here an illiterate? I'm not hyping the dangers of the swine flu--it's our government and mass media that's blowing the danger way out of proportion. What I'm jacked up about is that this is a perfect opportunity for the government to take some more of our freedoms and they appear to be jumping on it. Obama wants to spend billions fighting this fake flu scare. In other words you ARE paranoid, just not about the same thing as everyone who is worried about getting swine flu. And you ARE fear mongering, just not about the same thing as the mainstream media. Got it.
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Post by gillianren on May 3, 2009 23:21:53 GMT -4
Does my little iteration of statistics tell you anything about the credibility of your sources, DH?
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Jason
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Post by Jason on May 4, 2009 10:50:05 GMT -4
Is everybody here an illiterate? I'm not hyping the dangers of the swine flu--it's our government and mass media that's blowing the danger way out of proportion. What I'm jacked up about is that this is a perfect opportunity for the government to take some more of our freedoms and they appear to be jumping on it. Obama wants to spend billions fighting this fake flu scare. Oh, I have no doubt that the Obama administration will use this as an excuse to forward their agenda, and that said agenda will involve bigger, more expensive government with more control over our lives. It's just the bits about forced inoculation and FEMA concentration camps that are paranoia.
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Post by tedward on May 4, 2009 12:26:22 GMT -4
Is everybody here an illiterate? I'm not hyping the dangers of the swine flu--it's our government and mass media that's blowing the danger way out of proportion. What I'm jacked up about is that this is a perfect opportunity for the government to take some more of our freedoms and they appear to be jumping on it. Obama wants to spend billions fighting this fake flu scare. Its them chem trails, dulls the brain.
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Post by ineluki on May 5, 2009 5:27:48 GMT -4
I hope to God it's not the real thing, but we're in danger of martial law, forced vaccinations and quarantine in FEMA camps. Be specific. Is there any date for this? Is there any time later this year, after the Flu is over and nothing happened, when you are going to admit you were wrong?
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Post by Data Cable on May 5, 2009 5:29:57 GMT -4
Out of curiosity, does anyone recall of there were as many, if any, paranoid rantings about FEMA before it was mentioned in the first X-Files movie?
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Post by archer17 on May 5, 2009 11:49:08 GMT -4
Out of curiosity, does anyone recall of there were as many, if any, paranoid rantings about FEMA before it was mentioned in the first X-Files movie? I'm not sure exactly when FEMA first became fodder for the conspiracy crowd but don't recall hearing too much about that agency in a CT context until after 9/11 which, IIRC, was 3 years or so after the first X-Files movie. I originally thought such correlations were a spin-off from the 9/11 CT and/or things like the prior administration's Patriot Act but this thread shows that this kind of paranoia is a non-partisan affliction. It's not who's in office, it's the office itself that fuels this kind of irrational thinking.
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Post by gillianren on May 5, 2009 13:56:34 GMT -4
You know, back home, FEMA is just a part of life. Earthquake, fire, and flood--FEMA's there for all of them. For some reason, they've set up in a disused department store in our local mall right now, I think to handle claims from the snowstorm and related flooding we had here this year. I haven't had any personal dealings with them myself, but I just can't see them as something to fear.
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Post by Apollo Gnomon on May 5, 2009 19:58:12 GMT -4
Is everybody here an illiterate? I'm not hyping the dangers of the swine flu--it's our government and mass media that's blowing the danger way out of proportion. What I'm jacked up about is that this is a perfect opportunity for the government to take some more of our freedoms and they appear to be jumping on it. Obama wants to spend billions fighting this fake flu scare. Alex Jones' initial premise is flawed. His big fear is one-world government run by a secret cabal of evil doers that for some reason want to incarcerate "most" if not "all" of the world. Senseless hysteria. Everything he says is wrong. Even if by some weird chance he manages to report an actual fact, it's so twisted by this bizarre theory that it's useless as a measurement of reality. He keeps jumping up and expounding how this or that is the latest scheme to take over the world. When each panic blows over, he moves on and picks up the next freaked-out flavor of the week, never mentioning how the previous panic turned out to be no cause for alarm. You guys (the collective you, consisting of anyone I want) are afraid of all the wrong things. You're afraid of "them" locking up people for this reason or that (remember Katrina? You were all freakin' out over that.) but I'm worried about the anti-vaccination granolas and the hard-core Type A personalities that never take a sick day spreading every virus that comes along. Many of the readers here may be only loosely aware of Jones and his ideology. Just a quick note, he was against both Bush and Obama, and alleged that Obama is just another tool of the establishment. There wasn't any flip-flop on Jones' part to go from Bush-the-villain to Obama-the-villain. He alleges that they are interchangeable parts in a massive campaign "against humanity." Yes, Against Humanity. If you could see the world through his eyes, everything is a threat. Name any hairball CT and he's into it: 9/11, chemtrails, everything. He makes stuff up where nobody else is talking about a given subject. Like the Mexico Drug wars - somehow, that's all part of the plan to make Mexico part of the US, make one NAFTA economy, everything. He's been predicting an "attack" for quite some time, so of course Swine Flu is "weaponized" -- all part of his circular logic whirling around like turds in a toilet. I would like to thank Dead Hoosiers for being brave enough to post here and share these worldviews with a crowd of people who have never (well, hardly ever) agreed with a single thing she's said. I have an odd respect for that.
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Post by gillianren on May 5, 2009 20:39:54 GMT -4
AG, I've been worried for some time about the many, many people whose employers won't let them take sick days to any reasonable extent. At my last job, half the people there were a day or two off from being fired over attendance issues. There were some of us who had just taken too many (three or four over six months) "mental health days," but there were also a lot of single parents who would occasionally need to take care of a sick kid, then of course get sick themselves but not be able to miss work for their own illness.
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Post by jaydeehess on May 5, 2009 23:39:21 GMT -4
Frankly I accept that some people are afraid of needles.
Nah, I know that is a sarcastic response to those who believe that they have a legit fear of vaccination, even if I personally do not subscribe to that fear.
However, if you choose to not fight the spread of disease by getting vaccinated then stay the he11 away from me and the general public if you get sick!! You can do your part by severely limiting the number of people you come into contact with when you are sick. To do otherwise is , IMHO, bordering on criminal.
As for FEMA, IIRC its been a paranoid boogeyman almost since inception. It stems from the fear of the phrase in the old canard , "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help". I heard about FEMA conspiracies well before 2001.
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Post by jaydeehess on May 5, 2009 23:47:04 GMT -4
I hope to God it's not the real thing, but we're in danger of martial law, forced vaccinations and quarantine in FEMA camps. Be specific. Is there any date for this? Is there any time later this year, after the Flu is over and nothing happened, when you are going to admit you were wrong? The upper limit would be a little under 8 years ;D Seriuosly the beauty of such a paranoia is that its open ended and need never dissappear. Even if all goes to a well known hot place in a small woven container 50 years from now the proponents of such fearmongering can say "I told you so". Remember, GWB was going to institute Marshal Law and imprison dissenters and now suposedly Obama is going to do it.
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