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Post by tedward on Jul 29, 2010 13:12:10 GMT -4
There is also the issue of the operator guessing (if not already aware) what was going on and getting it right. Galileo and his experiment (although distorted re Pisa) is quite famous. What an opportunity, the moon, no atmosphere and two objects weights apart.
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Post by blackstar on Jul 30, 2010 15:57:41 GMT -4
It is possible to be a perfect zoom prediction, but it is too perfect, the drop is initiated immediately after the zoom ends, the time separation is just several frames (millisecond delay). Here's the problem, what is your objective standard for describing an event as 'too perfect'? It seems like an entirely subjective judgment, and largely based on a heavily compressed clip. Also when you originally started the is thread you were asserting that the time for the drop was inconsistent with lunar gravity, have you now abandoned this claim? Or are you saying that everything else was carefully stage managed but they inexplicable failed to rig the objects to fall at the proper speed?
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Post by Kiwi on Aug 1, 2010 7:49:46 GMT -4
If this is the Irwin's hand, it would mean that he is in the rover but not standing next to it. Also, the "hand" does not move naturally but more like a piece of equipment. After the experiment, he walks from away from the rover and clearly his hand is much smaller from that location... Yet again, we are blessed by the presence of a hoax-believer who is ignorant about Apollo, so he leaps to erroneous conclusions and cries, "Hoax!" If this is the Irwin's hand, it would mean that he is in the rover but not standing next to it.Had this "researcher" actually watched plenty of TV footage of astronauts working at the LRV, he would know that whenever they place or remove tools at the back, or extract film magazines or a camera lens from under a seat, the rover jiggles around due to its lightweight construction and one-sixth lunar gravity. So if Jim Irwin had inexplicably climbed on board (not "in") the LRV to "watch" the hammer and feather experiment by facing away from Scott, then he had equally inexplicably climbed off afterwards and magically got round the back of the Rover without us seeing, we would see the image moving due to the LRV and camera being moved as he did so. Instead, the image remains rock steady throughout, so another HB "theory" bites the dust. Alas, I already tried to point this out to our esteemed HB in post 558, but it appears that I may have been wasting my time trying to help him, as other members have. Also, the "hand" does not move naturally but more like a piece of equipment.Does this HB realise that there are linkages inside the spacesuit sleeves which do indeed sometimes necessitate a mechanical-looking movement from the astronaut? These linkages produce a resting position where the hands are wide apart at about hip level (which we often see), and just before John Young's two jump-salutes we see him twist his right arm in such a fashion that the suit linkages allow him to salute.
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Post by Kiwi on Aug 1, 2010 8:22:47 GMT -4
It is possible to be a perfect zoom prediction, but it is too perfect, the drop is initiated immediately after the zoom ends, the time separation is just several frames (millisecond delay). Well in that case, considering the time-delay, Ed Fendell nearly stuffed it up instead of being "too perfect," didn't he? Are you denying that Capcom Joe Allen was telling Fendell what was coming up, as related in the discussion between Eric Jones and Dave Scott in the Apollo Lunar Surface Journal following 167:22:58? (That is a direct question. Please answer it in a grown-up manner.) Quote[Jones - "Yours was a class act."]
[Scott - "Yeah, and you know Fendell did good getting the camera on it, too. I'm wondering if Joe cued him in, 'cause nobody knew we were going to do this, except Joe. Well, there were some people who knew but, in general, the people in the MOCR didn't know about it. I don't think Fendell knew that."]
[Jones - "But you guys pointed the camera..."]
[Scott - "But he zoomed in and then zoomed back so he could see the ground. It's absolutely perfect framing. I thought that was pretty clever of Fendell 'cause, had he not framed me correctly, you would not have seen the hammer or the feather hit the ground."]
[We looked at the TV.]
[Scott - "Joe knows, but I'll bet Fendell doesn't know what we're doing."]
[Jones - "Where's Fendell sitting?"]
[Scott - "Along the row with Allen."]
[We watch the sequence where Fendell starts to zoom in on the hammer and feather but then pulls back.]
[Scott - "See, if he doesn't back up now, you're not going to see it. And he's got a 3-second lag, plus the lag of the lens. So I've often wondered if Joe told him to back up, or whatever. Because he got back just barely in time"]
[We watch the sequence at 'appropriately a falcon feather'.]
[Jones - "Now he's backing off. Joe's got to be telling him. It's just perfect camera work."]
[Scott - "Perfect. And without the framing, it would have lost it's effect."]End quoteHave you had the good sense to read everything in the ALSJ around that discussion and the hammer and feather experiment? (That's another direct question.)
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Post by laurel on Aug 1, 2010 12:01:11 GMT -4
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Post by captain swoop on Aug 6, 2010 10:33:39 GMT -4
Just maybe the people involved are well trained professionals who know what they are doing?
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