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Post by laurel on Aug 4, 2009 21:22:03 GMT -4
The words of Van Allen himself before he went a little strange about it all. Source, Lazarusty?
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Post by Ginnie on Aug 4, 2009 21:24:01 GMT -4
The words of Van Allen himself before he went a little strange about it all. You mean before they had collected more information on the belts?
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Post by laurel on Aug 4, 2009 21:31:48 GMT -4
So, according to an earlier post in this thread, the claim is that the hoaxing began with Apollo 8 and that the Van Allen belts would be lethal to astronauts. But Gemini 10 and 11 entered the Van Allen belts before Apollo 8 and those astronauts were unharmed. So that means the Gemini flights had to faked too, in which case the hoax couldn't have started with Apollo 8. This is yet another inconsistency in the hoax theory.
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Post by Ginnie on Aug 4, 2009 21:39:22 GMT -4
Laurel, think "hoax theories". I'm sure there are hundreds of them - each differing a bit depending on which parts of the space program the proponent is ignorant of.
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Post by gillianren on Aug 4, 2009 22:43:04 GMT -4
Lazarusty, do you really think there's so much as a one in a million chance that everyone who works with the evidence is either lying or deluded? As I think has been mentioned many times in the past, the trick is COMPARTMENTALISATION. Only the very few at the top need know. The rest are just doing the job s they are ordered to do. Even the NASA ground control crew don't need to be let in on it. As far as they are concerned, they are getting a genuine feed. There are excellent reasons that your response is crap, but the most important is that it's not actually an answer to my question. My question is not about people who actually worked on getting the Apollo missions into space. It's about all the people who've worked with the data, pictures, film, telemetry, soil samples, rocks, and so forth since then. Are they all lying? Are they all deluded? Or, possibly, are you wrong?
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Post by laurel on Aug 4, 2009 23:03:05 GMT -4
Laurel, think "hoax theories". I'm sure there are hundreds of them - each differing a bit depending on which parts of the space program the proponent is ignorant of. True. I meant to refer to the specific hoax claims being discussed in this thread. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
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Post by gonehollywood on Aug 4, 2009 23:43:07 GMT -4
Hi gang!
I was away on a set, sorry I haven't been around. I finally caught up today on this b.s.
Are F****** kidding me? What a bunch of lame as**** who don't understand the proceess of film making.
Let me make this clear: there were approx 400,000 people involved (so I am told, need clarification from the peeps who are in the know) just to get the Apollo mission ready for landing on the moon.
Does anyone the magnitude of getting a film set ready for something like this? I mean, C'mon, I'm not accusing anyone of being an idiot, but jeez.
A film set of this magnitude would have taken years to construct - under secrecy? Then you have the DP and his/her crew, the G&E department. The Script Supervisor (which would be impossible - I've read the transcripts - NO TAKE TWO), the PA's, the Craft Services peeps, and so on and so on.
Really? Okay, so we've got a couple hundred people making the sets and another couple of hundred for Production. I digress. Let's call it 400,300 people keeping secrets. I guess thats possible.
NOT!!
Especially in Hollywood.
Get real.
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Post by Data Cable on Aug 5, 2009 0:48:45 GMT -4
Because humans coudn't get through the Van Allen Belts without being killed. That's patently ridiculous, since the Van Allen belts themselves are a hoax.
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Post by JayUtah on Aug 5, 2009 10:26:00 GMT -4
The words of Van Allen himself before he went a little strange about it all. You mean the cherry-picked quotes from a decades-old article? Dr. Van Allen assisted in the design of the Apollo trajectory. Not for one minute has he endorsed, embraced, or even tolerated these nonsense conspiracy theories. Not one astrophysicist accepts the hoax theory.
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Post by blackstar on Aug 5, 2009 11:08:39 GMT -4
Lets not forget the myriad of delicate scientific instruments and satellites that have passed through the Van Allen Belt over the years without being fried, and function in the 'sea of radiation' beyond. The Herschel and Planck telescopes are 1.5 million kilomteres out from Earth, operating at close to absolute zero and somehow haven't been reduced to irradiated scrap, go figure. Forgot of course that there is one satellite that has probably been more exposed than any other, the SOHO solar observatory, orbiting, roughly speaking, at the L1 point between the Earth and the Sun, and served from 1995 until last year if memory serves.
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Post by macapple on Aug 10, 2009 13:45:05 GMT -4
Well there is lot of evidence that humans can survive long term exposure to the VA belt.
Mir, The ISS, The Hubble Telescope and Shuttle missions in LEO suffer parts of the VA belts especially the Southern Atlantic Anomaly. So they seem to deal with it well.
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Post by Jason Thompson on Aug 10, 2009 17:13:37 GMT -4
They made it looked like it was manned but actually sent it unmanned, hence it could still be tracked and it indeed went on a trip through space. Why should the engineers etc be told it wasn't manned? Because the engineering requirements for a spacecraft to be flown by a human crew are very different from that of an unmanned craft. You can't just get them to build a craft that can be operated entirely without a crew without them knowing that they are doing it. It is such a ridiculous idea that a bunch of qualified engineers wouldn't know they were making a hoax just because no-one told them in plain english. If they built working hardware, then a Moon landing was possible. If they built a fake, they would know. Either they would have to know to build it, or they would realise something wasn't right about the specs and the supposed purpose of the hardware.
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Post by gonetoplaid on Aug 10, 2009 20:05:11 GMT -4
...If they built working hardware, then a Moon landing was possible. If they built a fake, they would know. Either they would have to know to build it, or they would realise something wasn't right about the specs and the supposed purpose of the hardware. Darned good point. Those engineers spent tons of time calculating and making sure that every component under their jurisdiction met all requirements. Why? Because they knew that if "their" components failed and caused the death of astronauts, then their future careers just got the Axe from God since the blame would have come directly back to them. After all, do you really think that their supervisors would be willing to take the blame or be the scapegoats? Of course not. Human beings scatter like roaches whenever they are threatened. Politicians do this even better!
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Post by homobibiens on Aug 10, 2009 22:34:31 GMT -4
They made it looked like it was manned but actually sent it unmanned, hence it could still be tracked and it indeed went on a trip through space. Why should the engineers etc be told it wasn't manned? Because the engineering requirements for a spacecraft to be flown by a human crew are very different from that of an unmanned craft. You can't just get them to build a craft that can be operated entirely without a crew without them knowing that they are doing it. It is such a ridiculous idea that a bunch of qualified engineers wouldn't know they were making a hoax just because no-one told them in plain english. If they built working hardware, then a Moon landing was possible. If they built a fake, they would know. Either they would have to know to build it, or they would realise something wasn't right about the specs and the supposed purpose of the hardware. Just tie some really really long strings to the levers, so the controls can be worked remotely
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Post by tedward on Aug 11, 2009 2:20:05 GMT -4
Because humans coudn't get through the Van Allen Belts without being killed. They made it looked like it was manned but actually sent it unmanned, hence it could still be tracked and it indeed went on a trip through space. Why should the engineers etc be told it wasn't manned? How did they fake the comms?
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